Drawing...when is it not fast enough?

[HI express]

In the old movies...this is the Hollyweird stuff now...there were many stories where the good guy drew against the BG and sometimes the BG outdrew the good guy and either the good guy stopped his draw or threw his gun away.

If you had a situation where it was more or less an even break and you had to face a BG where you both drew at the same time, but the BG just plain outdrew you....what do you do?

I'd like your opinions. I 'm not sure... In a real life situation...hmmm. I don't have a strong opinion, but I guess I'd have to take my chances....and move as fast as I could sidestep and head for cover while trying to pop off rounds trying to score on the BG.

Couldn't trust on the goodness of the BG's heart.

Any suggestions, ideas?

 

[abaddon]

As you in fact hinted at I think your question is overly-influenced by Hollywood. TV tends to assume that one shot will always be enough. It almost doesn't matter who wins the draw if neither person makes a one-shot-stop.

At hand-to-hand distance I would always try to combine my draw with something that could limit his ability to draw. Just grabbing a-hold of an arm and turning his body sideways a bit would help a lot. I would try this even if I knew I could outdraw him. You just can't count on a one-shot-stop.

 

[HI express]

food for thought

Hi Abaddon,
This was something that was mainly food for thought because most of the thoughts expressed in many posts considered the idea that you would be able to draw your CCW covertly and you had an advantage.
Most of the time this is true...this is why it is a Concealed Carry Weapon, but I've seen BGs in an incident draw their CCWs at the same moment. It was kind of stupid because one was a gun and the other was a knife. It was stupid in the sense that the knife man threw his knife down...not wanting to get shot. He pled his case and the gun man put his gun away to go for a fist fight.
The knife man pulled a second knife, sliced the gunman before he could draw, then took the gun away from the gunman. Honor amongst thieves, ey?

 

[Talon]

Drawing...when is it not fast enough?

I'd say when you get shot first.

 

[pignock]

Are you talking about a "mexican standoff" ?

That's easy, it ain't who draws first, it's who hits first.

Keith

 

[HighVelocity]

I don't think it matters who gets the draw, it's who puts the bullets in the basket first that matters.

 

[abaddon]

Maybe I still don't understand what you're getting at in this thread. That said, I guess your initial idea to sidestep and head for cover is equally as good as my idea to try to inhibit the other guy's ability to fire. I think which strategy you apply would depend on distance and other factors.

Regarding the incident you talked about:

I guess bringing a knife to a gunfight is okay as long as it's two knives?

 

[Nitram68]

when you're dead?

 

[striker3]

I think that the best way to negate someone's advantage when they outdraw you is to bring them out of their action cycle. You have to make them reacte to you actions. This usually involves moving, changing height, distance and seeking cover, all while completing your draw and returning fire.