DSA SA58 vs RRA LAR10 vs Armalite AR10

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I will of course endorse the FAL, but I work for DSA so can fairly be considered biased. However, it is my preferred .308 caliber rifle regardless of current employment. Posters above covered the reasons really well:

1. Reliability. The mechanism is AK simple. If you tear the rifle down into the parts that do the work, there is almost nothing to it. The fact that it is piston driven and has an adjustable gas system means that it will operate in the worst of conditions. Literally if the gun is fouled up you can simply adjust the gas to force the piston to drive the action. This cannot be done with an AR-based weapon.

2. Ergonomics. Despite the comments above, I find it a very comfortable rifle. It is slim, well balanced (in particular in 11-18" variants), and has the controls in logical places for a right handed shooter. I actually shoot left handed, but have had no trouble adapting. The one mod I suggest is using our SAW grip as it fits my hand better. You can play with various stock and selector options.

3. Versatility. Visit our site and look at your options. The SA58 can be had in just about any configuration you can imagine, from a small close in CQB weapon to a long range designated marksman rifle (the SPR is not on the site yet but I will be posting pics on FAL Files soon). Pick the gun you want and configure to your tastes.

4. Cost. I will spend money to get the right gun--my wife can tell you that. However, it is also nice to have a platform that works AND is affordable to support. While the SA58 is not a cheap rifle, magazines and other accessories are quite affordable. In fact as I have pointed out here before, you can buy a complete extra FAL kit and lay in spare parts for almost any need without much invested.

There are other advantages. FAL parts are everywhere, there is a huge amount of information on the guns available from decades of service, it is a proven .308 caliber rifle, the DSA SA58s hold their value well, and are supported by a great warranty. All worth considering. Of course the various ARs you mention have quality makers backing them as well. Time will tell how they hold up under serious use, but I see no reason not to expect good things given who makes them. I would worry that Rock River may not get the guns on the market in time if a new AWB is looming, but I sincerely hope they do. More choices are always a good thing!

John
 
Grayrider,
What kind of accuracy can I expect from a model like the grey wolf(DSA, 21" bull bbl)? I spoke to reps from DSA, but couldn't pin down an estimate. I'm seriously considering a DSA Fal if I know it can hit soda cans at 250 yds.
Otherwise i'm going with an AR10T.


Dan
 
Dan,

It is hard to say given the variability in ammo, shooter, and the gun itself. With the bull barrel I would expect that (given good ammo, proper conditions, and skill) you could do that. As DSA is not a giant gun maker cranking out hundreds of identical guns on a tightly controlled assembly line, we just don't make the set-in-stone accuracy claims some companies will make about their mass produced target guns. We are also talking about a battle rifle and not a target gun. However, my personal opinion (for what it is worth) is that with the bull barrel model and good ammo you should be quite happy with the results.

I would suggest you consider adding the match trigger if you get the Gray Wolf. I am sure you know that FAL triggers are not great out of the box, but with the trigger work DSA offers can be excellent.

John
 
Grayrider,

I must say I was highly impressed with my SA58's stock trigger. Well, I think it's stock. I bought it used, but it hadn't been used much so I doubt the previous owner would have had much work done to it. Its not quite a competition trigger, but its way better than any milsurp gun I ever fired. Nice crisp and clean break.
 
I concur on the improved trigger. I've been spoiled by the Jewell in my Remington. I've got bolt guns that are more acurrate than I am. I'm now in the market for an EBR in .308 that will do head shots at 2-300yds. I am especially needful of such an instrument after having seen Dawn of the Dead, and Land of the Dead...."Zombies, man, they creep me out.." So I need something robust, accurate, and evil looking before...(insert crisis here)
 
That might be a new marketting angle: "The SA58: Gauranteed to kill zombies the first time, or your money back!"

:D

I think you would be happy with the SA in any flavor really. Given the right shooter and ammo, all the SA58 series produce respectable groups--even the short guns. There was a review a while back in a magazine of our OSW and the shooter was doing around 1.5" at 100m if I remember with the 11" gun. I will have to see if I can find where that was. Regardless if you order one from DSA directly, please tell them I sent you.

John
 
The stock/lower won't affect accuracy apart from shooter comfort. The para stock is not as comfortable in terms of cheak weld, however I don't consider it that bad. Certainly not like an AK folder. Note that some lowers have different rear sights, such as the Hampton's AR-15A2 style rear sight. I would assume you will use optics in any event, so pick a rear sight that you like for close in work. I like the hooded FAL sight or AR style ones personally due to their larger aperatures than the standard sight.

John
 
Well I feel dumb. Right on the darn web site. I actually have the magazine at home from DSA and did not notice the article was posted. That is the one, and I personally think if Mr. Fortier says something you can take it to the bank.

John
 
SA58 Accuracy

The DSA SA58 is NOT the rifle (L1A1) which served me for 12 years in the British Army. The fit, manufacture, quality and accuracy are miles ahead. My rifle has a custom 19" (Badger) medium contour fluted barrel, extreme duty scope mount, my own crisp but safely massaged 5lb trigger and will cloverleaf 168gr Fed. Match at 100 metres. 5 shot strings will group 3/4" with sufficient cooling time. No bollocks, just the facts. My L1A1 would barely do 2" at 100m, even with the good ammo. For those of you who generally get your rifle to group vertically - practice. This only happens with little experience. Buy yourself a full power magnum springer air-rifle and practice shooting 1/4" dots at 40 yards. I find the double-whammy recoil cycle of a break barrel springer is very similar to that of the FAL. Use good ammo, not the ****e surp. stuff you can get from cheaperthandirt (watch out for the effing awful Indian stuff - the wong's don't care, so long as it goes bang) stick to either the Brit or Aussie surp. if you're going to use it.
 
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