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Effectiveness of Hoppes 9: Old or New Blend?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by KaibabMD, Jul 19, 2011.

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  1. KaibabMD

    KaibabMD Member

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    My first post here. THR is a great resource for finding out stuff, and I would like opinions on this. Let me say first off that I have years of experience working in laboratories and mixing/formulating chemicals. I am finishing a Ph.D. in metabolics, biochemistry and ruminant nutrition. I am not a back yard chemist.

    Which, if you are old enough to remember, worked better? The original Hoppes or the newer blend of Hoppes 9 for sale? I am trying to decide if mixing a batch of either the old Hoppes (I think I have found the original formula) or mixing up Ed's Red is worth the time and trouble.

    If you have experience with either the original Hoppes 9 or Ed's Red, in comparison to the new formulation of Hoppes 9, I would really like to hear about it. I am weighing the pros and cons of this project, including chemical exposure risks. Please, tell me what you think vis-a-vis the effectiveness of the solvents.

    -KaibabMD
     
  2. 1KPerDay

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    I used the original for years and I can't tell the difference in effectiveness with the new stuff. Both work for me.
     
  3. Wil Terry

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    I have used all three that you mention. Can't hardly tell the difference. You should try to re-make the old HERTER'S bore cleaner, DETROTHAL.
     
  4. Shienhausser

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    I shoot too much to hoard any kind of cleaner hehe. It WILL be used in short order.
     
  5. CZguy

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    First let me answer your question. No there is no discernible difference for me between the original Hoppes 9 and the new stuff. They both work well for me.

    KaibabMD, with your qualifications you may be able to answer a question for me. Would it be possible to make a Men's cologne that smells just like Hoppes No. 9, but that had no problems with shin contact. You see over the years I've come to equate the smell of Hoppes with feeling happy.
     
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  6. Owen Sparks

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    What about the health risks of exposure to the chemicals in these gun cleaners?
     
  7. MikeNice

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    Hoppe's has always been the gun cleaner of choice in my family. I can't tell any difference between the old and the new.

    I do use two different cleaners in the barrel though. I use Hoppe's and go through the whole procedure. When the last patch comes out completely clean I do it again with Birchwood Casey synthetic cleaner. It usually gets about another four more patches worth of dirt out of the barrel.
     
  8. hermannr

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    I have used Hoppe's new and old, and presently have some #9 and a batch of Ed's Red.

    In my formulation of Ed's Red, I use Marvel Mystery Oil as a substitute for the ATF, works fine. MMO is an excelent degreaser and carbon remover.

    I have had all of the above fail to do what I wanted, (properly clean a very pitted barrel to see if I could lap it...didn't work, I just replaced the barrel) and all of the above work fine for normal cleaning, preservation work.
     
  9. loadedround

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    KaibabMD: For an interesting research project check the Nitrobenzene levels of the old Hoppes vs the new formulation. The manufacturer has reduced the quantity of Nitrobenzene considerably because of the suspected carcinogenic properties of this particular organic chemical. I'm sure you have worked with Benzene before and that is a known carcinogen.
     
  10. klutchless

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    I don,t like to use solvents personaly.Hot water and a drop of dawn dish liquid works just as good .Followed by a few patches of Hoppes elite gun oil to keep the rust out.
     
  11. InkEd

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    You mean to tell me, I might want to stop using Hoppes 9 as aftershave when I'm done dry shaving with strop razor, while smoking a cigar, in the morning? Ok, wimp. :D

    I guess it's true.... Guns don't kill people...... Gun cleaners kill people.

    Next, you're gonna tell me not to put Jack Daniels on my Wheaties too! Whatever happen to being a REAL man? Sheesh... LOL
     
  12. HOWARD J

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    Wow
    I guess I better quit using it--after 60 some years it may turn out to be bad for me.
    I still am using the old stuff but I do have 2 bottles of the new stuff.
     
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    I don't notice any difference between the old and new formula. The new stuff doesn't smell as strong as the old. I have a bottle of the old formula that I use for aroma therapy now and then when I am feeling down. I go through about a quart of No 9 a year because I shoot alot of milsurps with surplus ammo.....chris3
     
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    Save your time trouble and health - use gunzilla - been shooting and reloading for 50 years - used it all and gunzilla is the best - look it up on the internet - troops in the desert beg for it - sent 3 cases over so far
     
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    I know Hoppes makes makes the expensive air freshener, but wouldn't it be cool if Yankee candle made a Hoppes scented candle? hmmm!
     
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    I've never been impressed with either. It takes too many applications before patches stop coming out blue.
     
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    Hoppes has always smelled awful to me. Can't stand the smell, which I believe comes from Banana oil, I hate fresh bananas. I wonder if it would piss off wasps or hornets.
     
  19. 1KPerDay

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    Wow. :uhoh::eek:
     
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    You must be a communist. :D
     
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    "Wow."


    A friend of mine introduced me to Ballistol. I have actually been rather pleased with it, although I don't recommend that anyone consume it.:eek:

    gd




    From: http://www.firehawktech.com/Ballistol/index.html

    "At the turn of the century the imperial German Army (the Wehrmacht) began to look for an all-around oil. The idea was to maintain the metallic parts of the soldier’s rifle but also to protect the wooden stocks and his leather gear. The soldier was to use the same oil for the treatment of minor wounds, sores and scratches."


    "The decision is in your hands: you can choose to continue to use toxic products or you can begin to use Ballistol... now. Ballistol is a lubricant which is non-toxic, non-carcinogenic and biodegradable."

    From the MSDS information sheet:

    Hazardous Ingredients Information
    Ballistol-Lube does not contain any components classified "hazardous" by OSHA


    Ballistol-Lube contains only one ingredient with TLVs:
    Ingredient - Isobutyl Alcohol


    "Acute and Chronic Health Hazards: No LD-50 oral could be determined for Ballistol-Lube with rats and rabbits.

    Manufacturer classifies product as non-toxic. BALLISTOL-Lube does not contain Benzene or Kerosene.

    CarcinoQenicitv: No NTP publication. No IARC monograph. Ballistol-Lube is based on medicinal grade mineral oil (CAS# 8042-47-5), which has been classified "Class 3" by the IARC, This means that there is insufficient evidence for this substance to cause cancer in animals or humans.

    BALLISTOL-Lube does not contain any substance currently known to be a carcinogen.

    Signs and Symptoms of Exposure None known.

    Medical Conditions Generally Aggrevated by Exposure None known.

    Emergency and First Aid Procedures: In the event of contact with eyes, flush with large quatities of water. If ingested, consult with physician.




    Here is the address for the MSDS for Hoppe's#9, if anyone is interested:

    http://www.hoppes.com/msds/Hoppes9/MSDS_Tri-Pac_No_ 9_Solvent-Liquid_Revision_1-3.pdf
     
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  23. VintovkaMosin

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    I just don't use petrol based cleaners.
     
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    Wait. You mean you don't just run guns through the dish washer? How come nobody ever told me?
     
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    Cascade with Lemon works best! OH!!...the spot free kind!!
     
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