Election 2012 question

[skoro]

If the president gets reelected next year, will there be panic buying of guns and ammo again like there was after the last election?

I doubt it. Fears of gun-grabbing have been unfounded.

 

[xcgates]

I had a whole post written up, trying to be polite and delicate, but lets face it, people should be planning ahead, and in general have contingency plans.

No matter what happens, I can guarentee you some people will panic, I can't tell you how many, or what affect (effect?) they will have. I say that because no matter who wins whatever office, someone will be unhappy and be sure it is the end of the world.

Do what you think is the smart move for the future.

 

[commygun]

Actually the Senate seats in play suggest there will be considerably less anti influence after the 2012 elections. If the president is re-elected popular perceptions might create another panic but the chances of any successful anti-gun legislation are very slim.

 

[Balrog]

We will also see some hype of the "inevitable ban" to push the banic buying and that will help increase sales. Instead of investing time in working in the political races to ensure that anti politicians don't make it into office, many will invest their time and money "getting theirs before there ain't none to get" leaving the heavy lifting to the rest of us.
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This train of thought seems poorly thought out, seeing as how you can do both at the same time, and you have absolutely no idea whether or not the so called panic buyers are also writing letters to Congress and donating money to pro gun causes. I wonder if since you already "have yours" you are perhaps belittling the people who are trying to "get theirs".

 

[ArmedLiberal]

Hmm...Tread lightly,ever so lightly as this is fast reaction THR.....
But,in my opinion IF the current prez is relected I do see a lot of push on the anti second amendment front because there will be no better time and for him what's there to lose??
And oh by the way Armed Liberal it just so happens that a friend of mine for only the last forty two years is somewhat in the same camp as you.
He is staunchly second amendment and owns more guns and ammo than most militia followers but goes headlong voting for and pushing every thing that is not only left but far left.
But through all of this he has said several times to me that he fully expects Americans to be stripped of their second Amendment rights in the future...But he continues to support a group who has zero qualms in advocating this crap.
I DON'T understand.

Just because my handle is ArmedLiberal doesn't mean that I vote like your friend. Things are often more complicated than they appear at first glance. It's my purpose that US 2nd Amendment Rights be preserved as that is the way that I see we will avoid armed conflict in this country in decades to come. I believe that without an armed populace we are more vulnerable to either a civil war or a totalitarian government.

 

[Remo223]

Actually the Senate seats in play suggest there will be considerably less anti influence after the 2012 elections. If the president is re-elected popular perceptions might create another panic but the chances of any successful anti-gun legislation are very slim.

agreed

Not only that, but just a couple failed attempts will make it even harder for ani-gun politicians to get elected or re-elected. So I'm actually hoping they DO keep trying for the next year or 3.

 

[merlinfire]

I know what opinions are worth, but here's mine.

The last panic-buy was probably not warranted, for one simple reason. A politician's number 1 goal is to get re-elected. As a first term president, he would not do anything to harm his chances at a second term.

However, if he is re-elected, he no longer has to worry about that little detail. If re-elected, we'll see him being a bit more bold in his initiatives. This has been basically true of every 2-term president. They have less to lose.

I'm not sure I'm as convinced of BHO's anti agenda as many here are, but if anything is going to happen, it will be during the second term.

 

[Balrog]

A politician's number 1 goal is to get re-elected. As a first term president, he would not do anything to harm his chances at a second term.

History, of course, proves your statement to be false. Bill Clinton passed the AWB in his first term.

 

[ZCORR Jay]

I plan on being the first person to inhabit the moon by the 2012 elections. There are no politics or taxes there.

 

[hogshead]

I think that either way the elections go, ammo is still going to be harder to come by. I just ordered a case of wolf 762x39. I had to get it at SG. CD doesent even list it anymore. All the cases except 154 sp where on backorder till at least mid March.

 

[merlinfire]

History, of course, proves your statement to be false. Bill Clinton passed the AWB in his first term.

They obviously did not expect that it would be something that would affect their re-election. That's only a matter of underestimating the ire of the gun-owning public, not a lack of political will to self-preserve. After the fallout from that debacle, politicians know that it is dangerous, and they won't make the same mistake while their political survival is at stake.

 

[AlexanderA]

The "panic buying" idea is based on the assumption that, like in the Clinton AWB, already-owned weapons will be "grandfathered in." This may not be a correct assumption. For example, Rep. Carolyn McCarthy's bill to ban magazines over 10 rds. would outlaw possession of such magazines regardless of when they were made or purchased.

The antis have realized that the AWB was a joke precisely because of the grandfather clause. They won't make that mistake again -- but they may make an even bigger mistake, which is an outright prohibition (of certain categories of items). Like alcohol Prohibition in the early 20th century, this would be widely ignored, causing all sorts of social disruptions and dislocations.

 

[Philly Slim]

I'll echo what a couple others have already said; the presidential election with have much less affect on gun issues than the congressional elections.

 

[Hangingrock]

Basically the NRA thrives on political turmoil and to a degree stimulates the herd to stampede.

 

[BENBRU]

Agreed... Congressional elections will have more of an impact. While the President plays a part, the House and Senate are just as important. Just like we are probably not going to get the MG registry re-opened with a Lib President. A Lib President is probably not going to get any anti 2A legislation through a Republican House or Senate.

The beauty of checks and balances... I'll refrain from going on a rant about the tyranny of the majority and the 2 Potential checks still put on it. Lots of really interesting work going on in Political Theory right now.