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I don't have the time to respond in detail, but you might help.

Hi,

I stumbled upon your website, just wondering why you would post such things on your "Stay Safe" page?

You openly mock anti-rape protection, stating in short that simply killing the person/seriously wounding the person is the only way to be truly safe.

Now this not only is in-correct, but it also breeds inaccurate rumour.

This site could/would make any women without a hand gun feel insecure about being raped, The irony is that the countries where Handguns are illegal are also the ones with the lowest crime and rape numbers through out the world.

This site uses buss phrases in its small images such as "Police cant be everywhere at once". This is true, its an obvious fact, However the chances of a woman walking alone with no way of running OR defending herself some where the is NO ONE within screaming distance is a rare case.

Spewing forth bogus phrases such as "Strong Women Own Guns...Bimbos Don't"
it gives your site not only NO credibility but shows that the author is probably a man and if not a man a woman whose obviously a fool.

"Considering that neither pepper spray nor tasers are adequate for self-defense" this is just a lie, Any qualified city police officer would laugh at you.

Im going to rap this up by saying, Unless you own a gun shop and are secretly trying to scare people into buying guns from you, Then your wasting your time...

OR

If you were raped and made this site of ignorance and lies to make yourself and others feel better or more uncontrolled of the situation of rape, you have gone about it wrong...

Thanks for your time, you should be shot

Lee Launay
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"Considering that neither pepper spray nor tasers are adequate for self-defense" this is just a lie, Any qualified city police officer would laugh at you.
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You could easily find many police, secuity, rape specialists to refute this. I'm sure you could find news stories with regards to this as well. As a matter of fact, I have a bit of time, I'll see what I can find.
 
I pointed the author of this email to this thread. Please address his points and not his persona. Be civil.
 
Bad spelling, syntax and grammar…….and no idea who he (she?) is talking to.:rolleyes:

Add the fact that this person has no facts or figures to support their assertions, as well as that wonderful closing wish to do you harm, and I figure this is a nut case.:scrutiny:

A reply is not required nor advised...........personally, rolling in the mud is only fun in volleyball.

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Sorry Olek, there were many posts before I hit send, including your request to addresss the points only.
I think the personality is pertinent in this case, but will comply with your wishes.
 
It takes all kinds, I guess.

Edited to add the following, since the author may stop by:

You openly mock anti-rape protection, stating in short that simply killing the person/seriously wounding the person is the only way to be truly safe.
NOBODY is truly safe. We all have the right to choose how safe we want to try to be.

This site uses buss phrases in its small images such as "Police cant be everywhere at once". This is true, its an obvious fact, However the chances of a woman walking alone with no way of running OR defending herself some where the is NO ONE within screaming distance is a rare case.
Ask Kitty Genovese about the kindness of strangers.

"Considering that neither pepper spray nor tasers are adequate for self-defense" this is just a lie, Any qualified city police officer would laugh at you.
As was mentioned above, this is the reason that no self-respecting law enforcement officer carries a firearm.

Thanks for your time, you should be shot
If you don't get help at The High Road, please, get help somewhere.
 
Oleg,

I don't believe that an ignorant, insulting, and poorly written email such as this deserves a response at all. It would be beneath you, and pointless. There are some people who will not consider other viewpoints. I suspect this person is one of them.

At least you gave them food for thought, and if they rant and rave about your site somewhere, they may alienate others who are on the fence.

Sometimes the best response is no response.

edited to add: I read Oleg's post #7 after I posted my own. I stand by my remarks, but if you request that I remove them, I will. Basically, what I am asking is why educate he who does not desire to learn? The first criteria of education is a desire to learn. All that can be done here is further entrench someone who is opposed to our position. Why not instead extend an invitation to the range?
 
Would be easier if he had made any points. As is, Mr. Launay's email is nothing more than shrill ranting from a not-too-bright someone who's had his preconceptions slapped around.

If it were me, I would have brushed him off with a, "Thanks for sharing your opinion." He's not worth anything more.

Save the education for the receptive.

- Chris
 
This site uses buss phrases in its small images such as "Police cant be everywhere at once". This is true, its an obvious fact, However the chances of a woman walking alone with no way of running OR defending herself some where the is NO ONE within screaming distance is a rare case.
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Does this person live in the real world? I've seen the streets of Manhattan desolate(granted it was around 1:00am, but I can think of reasons to have to go out that late). Not to mention places like my hometown campus..
 
An email like this could be a splendid springboard for showcasing our own take on the issue. The replies are not, primarily, for the author but for the lurkers.
 
Sometimes the best response is no response.
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Perhaps, but in this case, I feel the best response is to not bother wasting energy trying to convert this person but instead use them as the ideal image of the type of person we are actively trying to fight against.

Some people are just beyond help and we should recognize that and actively avoid wasting our time with them, target them as the enemy and move on.
 
Well, this person obviously has strong opinions on the subject. It's not that the author is some kind of lunatic, but perhaps he or she (hard to tell from the name alone) has a slightly skewed sense of reality. For instance:

However the chances of a woman walking alone with no way of running OR defending herself some where the is NO ONE within screaming distance is a rare case.
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Running... hmm.. ever try running away from an assailant who catches you by surprise from behind while wearing pumps? Ever seen stories on the news where a crime is being commited and the persons standing around do nothing to prevent it or to assist the victim in any way?

The author mentions "defending herself". In what fashion? Using pepper spray? I have seen plenty of video where attackers are pepper-sprayed and continue to fight. I have some friends who think it's fun to shock each other with stun guns, and they have built up quite a resistance. Martial arts, perhaps? Do you think a few classes of Tae Bo on video prepares a woman for combat on the street?

I feel the author is hinting that if the woman is properly equipped with a self defense device, and is capable of running, perhaps by wearing fashions which allow a couse of action, that she would be able to avoid or defeat an attacker. Sure, I agree. It all comes down to ability and equipment. The surest way to level the playing field, as it were, is the use of a firearm. Nothing else so effectively makes the potential victim the equal of the attacker. That's the key; proper equipment. Get a firearm.

Hopefully, the author will never need to deal with an actual attack on their person, or that of thier spouse, sister, or other family member. in such an instance, you will see in a big, big hurry, that society will not suddenly come to the rescue. The very first line of defense should be to make ones self capable.

Edit: Wow, lost of replies while I was typing! Hope I didn't get too repetative.
 
Overall, his e-mail is simply one long rant. He offers no facts, just his all too close minded opinion. And saying that you should be shot for your views simply shows the level of his maturity. If he is going to come and debate, thats fine. If he just wants to criticize, insult and belittle....................whats that saying about someone who argues with a jackass; which one's the what?:rolleyes:
 
I would love to respond to the "points" raised. But I can not get past the grammar, sentence structure, punctuation and spelling. If a person can not or will not make an effort to present their opinion intelligently, then there is no intelligent opinion.
 
You openly mock anti-rape protection, stating in short that simply killing the person/seriously wounding the person is the only way to be truly safe.

Now this not only is in-correct, but it also breeds inaccurate rumour.
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Contrary to what you might want to believe, no reasonable person here wants to kill a rapist or anyone else; to us, a handgun is the simply most reliable option to stop an attacker. Granted, there's a lot of people out there who don't want a firearm, which is fine too - to each their own. However, that doesn't mean that your choice has to dictate mine or anyone else's.

This site could/would make any women without a hand gun feel insecure about being raped, The irony is that the countries where Handguns are illegal are also the ones with the lowest crime and rape numbers through out the world.
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I think that you're making assumptions here - where did you get those statistics? It's practically impossible nowadays to get a gun legally in South Africa (where I spent 30 years), but the figures make it the rape-capital of the world.

This site uses buss phrases in its small images such as "Police cant be everywhere at once". This is true, its an obvious fact, However the chances of a woman walking alone with no way of running OR defending herself some where the is NO ONE within screaming distance is a rare case.
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Do a Google on "Kitty Genovese" - and look up Jacob Zuma while you're there.

Spewing forth bogus phrases such as "Strong Women Own Guns...Bimbos Don't" it gives your site not only NO credibility but shows that the author is probably a man and if not a man a woman whose obviously a fool.
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I don't think the intent was to insult ladies who don't carry guns; rather, it was to celebrate those independent-minded ladies who do.

"Considering that neither pepper spray nor tasers are adequate for self-defense" this is just a lie, Any qualified city police officer would laugh at you.
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Any qualified police officer, of which there are many on this forum, would also tell you that there is a large segment of the population that are immune to pepper spray; as for tasers, I don't personally understand the technology enough to bet my life on it.

Im going to rap this up by saying, Unless you own a gun shop and are secretly trying to scare people into buying guns from you, Then your wasting your time...

OR

If you were raped and made this site of ignorance and lies to make yourself and others feel better or more uncontrolled of the situation of rape, you have gone about it wrong...
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I'll tell you something - I was raped when I was 11 years old by two men and it will not happen to me again, nor to anyone else I can help.

Thanks for your time, you should be shot
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An ironic statement, but never mind. Thanks for your time - personally, I hope you never have to find out first-hand if you're right.
 
Rapists, and predators in general, chose a victim and time and place to their advantage, one that minimizes the chance of getting caught while maximizing their advantage.

Personal safety is a personal responsibilty, and how one choses to affect it is a personal choice, and a weapon, along with the skill and will to use it can be a great equalizer.Pepper spray? I know folks who think it's a nice condiment. Tasers and stunguns are contact weapons. by the time the attacker is close enough to use them, it may already be too late. 9-1-1? That'll get you a free ride to the hospital or morgue. It's a cruel world, Sparky, and you're on your own -

I must wonder what this person thinks is an appropriate response to violent criminals, and why does he/she/it thinks it's appropriate to shot someonw who merely urges people to take responsibility for their own safety and to be properly prepared should trouble arise? As teh guru says, "An unarmed [person] can only flee from eivil, and evil is not vanquished by running away." Some things are worth fighting for, and sometimes, you don't have a choise. What color is the sky in your world, Lee?
 
This person can't even write English. He/she uses "your" for "you're" (just as one example.) And then there's the closing:

Thanks for your time, you should be shot

Lee Launay
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Paraphrased: "You don't support my position and opinion, therefore you do not deserve to live."

Why would you feel any desire to dignify this garbage with any response at all? It doesn't deserve an answer.
 
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_02/html/web/offreported/02-nforciblerape04.html

In the U.S. rape rates for 2003 were 33/100,000 or 0.033%. Since this rate is based on the total population for the U.S. and roughly half the population is female we could effectivly double the numbers if we want to see the rate of rape for women more prominantly reflected. This give roughly 66/100,000 or 0.066% of women raped in the U.S. in '03.

http://www.crimestatistics.org.uk/output/page60.asp

In the U.K. rape rates for women in 2001 were 0.3% of women or 3/1,000 or 300/100,000

The U.K. has nearly the most restictive gun laws in the world and yet a woman in the U.K. is nearly 4.5 times more likely to be raped than a woman in the U.S.

http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/legal02.htm

In Canada the rape rates in 2003 were 73.3/100,000 vs the U.S. rate of 33/100,000.

http://www.aifs.gov.au/acssa/statistics.html

In 2003 in Australia there were 91.7/100,000 vs 33/100,000 in the U.S. making a woman in Austraila nearly 3 times as likely to be raped as in the U.S.

Australia's gun laws obviously make women safer against rape than America's "Wild West" rules.:rolleyes:
 
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"Considering that neither pepper spray nor tasers are adequate for self-defense" this is just a lie, Any qualified city police officer would laugh at you.
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The United States and Israel maintain an arsenal of nuclear weapons because they realize that even the best conventional weapons aren't always enough to ensure their security.

Pilgrim
 
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