Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Email from a critic. Comments?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by Oleg Volk, Apr 26, 2006.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. Oleg Volk

    Oleg Volk Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2002
    Messages:
    9,155
    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    I don't have the time to respond in detail, but you might help.

     
  2. Mongo the Mutterer

    Mongo the Mutterer Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2005
    Messages:
    1,242
    Location:
    St. Louis
    That sentance sez it all about this moonbat. If Lee is a woman I guess she will feel "secure" when she is accosted.
     
  3. ingram

    ingram Member

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2005
    Messages:
    174
    Location:
    Vancouver/Seattle, WA
    How Ironic
     
  4. TallPine

    TallPine Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    7,734
    Location:
    somewhere in the middle of Montana
    Which is why police don't carry guns .... :rolleyes:
     
  5. foghornl

    foghornl Member

    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2002
    Messages:
    7,403
    Is the critic author's last name pronounced "LOONEY" ? ? ? ? :confused:
     
  6. Sinsaba

    Sinsaba Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2005
    Messages:
    585
    Location:
    Northern VA
    You could easily find many police, secuity, rape specialists to refute this. I'm sure you could find news stories with regards to this as well. As a matter of fact, I have a bit of time, I'll see what I can find.
     
  7. Oleg Volk

    Oleg Volk Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2002
    Messages:
    9,155
    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    I pointed the author of this email to this thread. Please address his points and not his persona. Be civil.
     
  8. juggler

    juggler Member

    Joined:
    May 21, 2004
    Messages:
    278
    Location:
    East Coast
    Bad spelling, syntax and grammar…….and no idea who he (she?) is talking to.:rolleyes:

    Add the fact that this person has no facts or figures to support their assertions, as well as that wonderful closing wish to do you harm, and I figure this is a nut case.:scrutiny:

    A reply is not required nor advised...........personally, rolling in the mud is only fun in volleyball.

    EDITED TO ADD

    Sorry Olek, there were many posts before I hit send, including your request to addresss the points only.
    I think the personality is pertinent in this case, but will comply with your wishes.
     
  9. grimlock

    grimlock Member

    Joined:
    Jan 15, 2004
    Messages:
    239
    Location:
    Atlanta, GA
    It takes all kinds, I guess.

    Edited to add the following, since the author may stop by:

    You openly mock anti-rape protection, stating in short that simply killing the person/seriously wounding the person is the only way to be truly safe.
    NOBODY is truly safe. We all have the right to choose how safe we want to try to be.

    This site uses buss phrases in its small images such as "Police cant be everywhere at once". This is true, its an obvious fact, However the chances of a woman walking alone with no way of running OR defending herself some where the is NO ONE within screaming distance is a rare case.
    Ask Kitty Genovese about the kindness of strangers.

    "Considering that neither pepper spray nor tasers are adequate for self-defense" this is just a lie, Any qualified city police officer would laugh at you.
    As was mentioned above, this is the reason that no self-respecting law enforcement officer carries a firearm.

    Thanks for your time, you should be shot
    If you don't get help at The High Road, please, get help somewhere.
     
  10. XavierBreath

    XavierBreath Member

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2003
    Messages:
    5,054
    Location:
    Louisiana
    Oleg,

    I don't believe that an ignorant, insulting, and poorly written email such as this deserves a response at all. It would be beneath you, and pointless. There are some people who will not consider other viewpoints. I suspect this person is one of them.

    At least you gave them food for thought, and if they rant and rave about your site somewhere, they may alienate others who are on the fence.

    Sometimes the best response is no response.

    edited to add: I read Oleg's post #7 after I posted my own. I stand by my remarks, but if you request that I remove them, I will. Basically, what I am asking is why educate he who does not desire to learn? The first criteria of education is a desire to learn. All that can be done here is further entrench someone who is opposed to our position. Why not instead extend an invitation to the range?
     
  11. Chris Rhines

    Chris Rhines Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2002
    Messages:
    3,773
    Location:
    Potomac, Maryland - Behind enemy lines!!
    Would be easier if he had made any points. As is, Mr. Launay's email is nothing more than shrill ranting from a not-too-bright someone who's had his preconceptions slapped around.

    If it were me, I would have brushed him off with a, "Thanks for sharing your opinion." He's not worth anything more.

    Save the education for the receptive.

    - Chris
     
  12. Moples

    Moples Member

    Joined:
    Sep 6, 2005
    Messages:
    11
    Does this person live in the real world? I've seen the streets of Manhattan desolate(granted it was around 1:00am, but I can think of reasons to have to go out that late). Not to mention places like my hometown campus..
     
  13. Oleg Volk

    Oleg Volk Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2002
    Messages:
    9,155
    Location:
    Nashville, TN
    An email like this could be a splendid springboard for showcasing our own take on the issue. The replies are not, primarily, for the author but for the lurkers.
     
  14. GTSteve03

    GTSteve03 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2005
    Messages:
    1,192
    Location:
    Cumming, GA
    Perhaps, but in this case, I feel the best response is to not bother wasting energy trying to convert this person but instead use them as the ideal image of the type of person we are actively trying to fight against.

    Some people are just beyond help and we should recognize that and actively avoid wasting our time with them, target them as the enemy and move on.
     
  15. 12-34hom

    12-34hom Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    876
    Location:
    Ia, Northeastern
    Some folks are just bound and determinded to learn the hard way.

    That's thier right - i choose another path - my right.

    12-34hom.
     
  16. Oleg Volk

    Oleg Volk Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Dec 19, 2002
    Messages:
    9,155
    Location:
    Nashville, TN
  17. Darkness

    Darkness Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2005
    Messages:
    135
    Location:
    Cincinnati
    Well, this person obviously has strong opinions on the subject. It's not that the author is some kind of lunatic, but perhaps he or she (hard to tell from the name alone) has a slightly skewed sense of reality. For instance:

    Running... hmm.. ever try running away from an assailant who catches you by surprise from behind while wearing pumps? Ever seen stories on the news where a crime is being commited and the persons standing around do nothing to prevent it or to assist the victim in any way?

    The author mentions "defending herself". In what fashion? Using pepper spray? I have seen plenty of video where attackers are pepper-sprayed and continue to fight. I have some friends who think it's fun to shock each other with stun guns, and they have built up quite a resistance. Martial arts, perhaps? Do you think a few classes of Tae Bo on video prepares a woman for combat on the street?

    I feel the author is hinting that if the woman is properly equipped with a self defense device, and is capable of running, perhaps by wearing fashions which allow a couse of action, that she would be able to avoid or defeat an attacker. Sure, I agree. It all comes down to ability and equipment. The surest way to level the playing field, as it were, is the use of a firearm. Nothing else so effectively makes the potential victim the equal of the attacker. That's the key; proper equipment. Get a firearm.

    Hopefully, the author will never need to deal with an actual attack on their person, or that of thier spouse, sister, or other family member. in such an instance, you will see in a big, big hurry, that society will not suddenly come to the rescue. The very first line of defense should be to make ones self capable.

    Edit: Wow, lost of replies while I was typing! Hope I didn't get too repetative.
     
  18. High Planes Drifter

    High Planes Drifter Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2006
    Messages:
    1,204
    Overall, his e-mail is simply one long rant. He offers no facts, just his all too close minded opinion. And saying that you should be shot for your views simply shows the level of his maturity. If he is going to come and debate, thats fine. If he just wants to criticize, insult and belittle....................whats that saying about someone who argues with a jackass; which one's the what?:rolleyes:
     
  19. shermacman

    shermacman Member

    Joined:
    Dec 30, 2002
    Messages:
    1,754
    I would love to respond to the "points" raised. But I can not get past the grammar, sentence structure, punctuation and spelling. If a person can not or will not make an effort to present their opinion intelligently, then there is no intelligent opinion.
     
  20. Just_a_dude_with_a_gun

    Just_a_dude_with_a_gun Member

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2006
    Messages:
    557
    Location:
    Peoples Republik of Neu Jersey
    Lee Luanay is 19 year old a "digital artist" from Austrailia.

    Just lock the thread. ^^ this is all the explaination you need.
     
  21. AndyC

    AndyC Member

    Joined:
    Mar 21, 2006
    Messages:
    2,581
    Location:
    DFW, TX
    Contrary to what you might want to believe, no reasonable person here wants to kill a rapist or anyone else; to us, a handgun is the simply most reliable option to stop an attacker. Granted, there's a lot of people out there who don't want a firearm, which is fine too - to each their own. However, that doesn't mean that your choice has to dictate mine or anyone else's.

    I think that you're making assumptions here - where did you get those statistics? It's practically impossible nowadays to get a gun legally in South Africa (where I spent 30 years), but the figures make it the rape-capital of the world.

    Do a Google on "Kitty Genovese" - and look up Jacob Zuma while you're there.

    I don't think the intent was to insult ladies who don't carry guns; rather, it was to celebrate those independent-minded ladies who do.

    Any qualified police officer, of which there are many on this forum, would also tell you that there is a large segment of the population that are immune to pepper spray; as for tasers, I don't personally understand the technology enough to bet my life on it.

    I'll tell you something - I was raped when I was 11 years old by two men and it will not happen to me again, nor to anyone else I can help.

    An ironic statement, but never mind. Thanks for your time - personally, I hope you never have to find out first-hand if you're right.
     
  22. XLMiguel

    XLMiguel Member

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    2,551
    Location:
    Santa Fe, NM
    Rapists, and predators in general, chose a victim and time and place to their advantage, one that minimizes the chance of getting caught while maximizing their advantage.

    Personal safety is a personal responsibilty, and how one choses to affect it is a personal choice, and a weapon, along with the skill and will to use it can be a great equalizer.Pepper spray? I know folks who think it's a nice condiment. Tasers and stunguns are contact weapons. by the time the attacker is close enough to use them, it may already be too late. 9-1-1? That'll get you a free ride to the hospital or morgue. It's a cruel world, Sparky, and you're on your own -

    I must wonder what this person thinks is an appropriate response to violent criminals, and why does he/she/it thinks it's appropriate to shot someonw who merely urges people to take responsibility for their own safety and to be properly prepared should trouble arise? As teh guru says, "An unarmed [person] can only flee from eivil, and evil is not vanquished by running away." Some things are worth fighting for, and sometimes, you don't have a choise. What color is the sky in your world, Lee?
     
  23. Hawkmoon

    Hawkmoon Member

    Joined:
    May 5, 2004
    Messages:
    3,454
    Location:
    Terra
    This person can't even write English. He/she uses "your" for "you're" (just as one example.) And then there's the closing:

    Paraphrased: "You don't support my position and opinion, therefore you do not deserve to live."

    Why would you feel any desire to dignify this garbage with any response at all? It doesn't deserve an answer.
     
  24. hso

    hso Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2003
    Messages:
    47,966
    Location:
    0 hrs east of TN
    http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_02/html/web/offreported/02-nforciblerape04.html

    In the U.S. rape rates for 2003 were 33/100,000 or 0.033%. Since this rate is based on the total population for the U.S. and roughly half the population is female we could effectivly double the numbers if we want to see the rate of rape for women more prominantly reflected. This give roughly 66/100,000 or 0.066% of women raped in the U.S. in '03.

    http://www.crimestatistics.org.uk/output/page60.asp

    In the U.K. rape rates for women in 2001 were 0.3% of women or 3/1,000 or 300/100,000

    The U.K. has nearly the most restictive gun laws in the world and yet a woman in the U.K. is nearly 4.5 times more likely to be raped than a woman in the U.S.

    http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/legal02.htm

    In Canada the rape rates in 2003 were 73.3/100,000 vs the U.S. rate of 33/100,000.

    http://www.aifs.gov.au/acssa/statistics.html

    In 2003 in Australia there were 91.7/100,000 vs 33/100,000 in the U.S. making a woman in Austraila nearly 3 times as likely to be raped as in the U.S.

    Australia's gun laws obviously make women safer against rape than America's "Wild West" rules.:rolleyes:
     
    Last edited: Apr 26, 2006
  25. Pilgrim

    Pilgrim Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    2,957
    Location:
    Nevada, escaped from the PDRK via Idaho.
    The United States and Israel maintain an arsenal of nuclear weapons because they realize that even the best conventional weapons aren't always enough to ensure their security.

    Pilgrim
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page