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You openly mock anti-rape protection, stating in short that simply killing the person/seriously wounding the person is the only way to be truly safe.
The rapist may very well kill or severely injure you if you don't comply, and has a high chance of having a dangerous or deadly disease to share in the process. You'll likely also suffer severe lifetime emotional distress. Don't underestimate the severity of rape; that you lightly dismiss the consequences thereof indicates you do.
This site could/would make any women without a hand gun feel insecure about being raped,
Just getting someone to think about rape seriously & comprehensively should make them feel insecure about being raped. The statistics are high, and the consequences horrible.
The irony is that the countries where Handguns are illegal are also the ones with the lowest crime and rape numbers through out the world.
Statistics, please. You'll find that women with handguns tend to have extremely low rates of being raped.
"Police cant be everywhere at once". This is true, its an obvious fact,
Then why don't you take it seriously? Why do you place your safety in the hands of someone who is not with you, when you could make yourself safe by simply slipping a small tool in your pocket?
However the chances of a woman walking alone with no way of running OR defending herself some where the is NO ONE within screaming distance is a rare case.
Then rape should be rare unto nonexistent then, right? Well, it's disturbingly common, demonstrating a fundamental flaw in your argument.
"Considering that neither pepper spray nor tasers are adequate for self-defense" this is just a lie, Any qualified city police officer would laugh at you.
Pepper spray is a condiment. I intend to use it to make hot "buffalo" chicken wings some time.
Tasers are a one-shot tool. You miss, you're done. They're not easy to use and not reliable. BTW: they are the size, shape, and used like a gun - so use the real far more effective tool.
By "taser" you probably (and incorrectly - your ignorance is showing) mean "stun gun", a zapping thing you have to press onto your target. Trust me, they don't work: I've been on the receiving end of one ... it hurt, but was completely ineffective (I twitched away and then shot 17 bullets into a target when hit with a stungun).
If you were raped and made this site of ignorance and lies to make yourself and others feel better or more uncontrolled of the situation of rape, you have gone about it wrong...
What better solution do you have? Shooting rapists works - begging them to stop, or hoping they don't hurt you when they threaten to if you resist, doesn't work.
Thanks for your time, you should be shot
Funny thing ... the most violent people I've known are anti-gun. It's the armed ones who are kind, gentle, and pacifist - precisely because if violence arises, they can stop it immediately with minimal harm.
You threaten violence - you're part of the problem.
 
Lee,

Guess what police officers do when the person they are tasering or pepper spraying doesn't desist in their actions...

They SHOOT them. With GUNS.

That is why these are considered COMPLIANCE devices. When the assaliant doesn't comply. They get shot.

Police have a thing called the use of force pyramid. Look it up.

Regular folks don't have that. Nor do they have the luxury of a Bat belt with a taser, baton, OC, gun, and spare mags, that rides on the hip of a guy with a radio, and a bunch of friends with radios, who all wear body armor, and who will come and help when the first person gets on the radio.

Lee doesn't know anything about guns, but he also doesn't know anything about less than lethal devices, or anything about predatory human beings.
 
Considering she says that you "should be shot" here are my top two responses to give her.

1) Don't respond at all, or tell her that you don't respond to people who say you should be shot.

2) Tell her this, "Hey stupid....BITE ME!"

Just my two cents.

hillbilly
 
Great thread!!!

I'll sit this out. We have law enforcements offices and judges and victimized women and women's advocates who can all answer the email far better than I.

It would be helpful for those responding to identify why they have a dog in this particular fight.

Oleg, you should be honored by the author pitching you a high and inside softball.
 
What exactly is "anti-rape protection"? I guess I don't follow. Does Lee mean tasers and pepper spray? These devices are fine less-lethal devices that do work fairly well, but are not as effective as a handgun. If you have only one chance at defending yourself, why wouldn't you want to use the most effective means of protection available. Likewise, why would you want to try to flee if the chances of preventing the attack are less than using a tried and true, effective means of protection, i.e. a firearm.

If someone attacks you, you shouldn't be required to pull any punches; they certainly aren't going to do the same for you. Hit them with the best tool in your possession. If you can, make certain that you keep effective the most effective tools close at hand in the event that the situation should arise. In other words, be ready to meet any situation with actions appropriate to the situation.
 
The same MySpace guy wrote this on his blog(?):

Sunday, April 02, 2006

V for Vendetta 8/10
. . .
I am Australian and there for like most assise have a unique view of the Politics of War, being affiliated with both England and the US but not being a citizen of either one, Having this I enjoyed and bought what this movie was selling, to a point anyway. That is another thing I love about this movie. It doesn't really say, "Hey, terrorists are great! It sort of leaves that one up to the audience. But the main ideas of the film, about governments being afraid of their people, and about not submitting to obvious tyranny for safety were there, and I agreed with them.

:confused:
 
An email like this could be a splendid springboard for showcasing our own take on the issue.

No, no it's not.

This email is simply status-quo for antis. It's a non-intelligent responce generated out of emotion. It's your carbon copy "ignorance is bliss" responce.

That type of responce shouldn't be a springboard for showcasing our own take simply because you won't get through to this type of individual. They have let the wool be pulled over their eyes for so long that they no longer fear that darkness and think it's the way it SHOULD be.

No matter what statistics you put up, or hard evidence you throw at them, or how many raped women you can have talk to these people, you will not sway them. You will not change their minds. You will not get them to see any light from our side.

Expending ANY energy on these types is simply wasteful.

"Talk to those that will listen, not those who can't."
 
Can we leave off the attacks against his age/person? This is rather un-high-roadish. We have plenty of teens here on THR.
 
Read my thread about Killer Mark Dyche

Quote from nice-guy Lee Launay:

This site could/would make any women without a hand gun feel insecure about being raped

If you had read my thread about that evil s.o.b. Mark Dyche,you would understand that a CS gas canister,a handgun or even a nice K-bar or Fairban and Sykes dagger,would have deterred him completely. Psychos can kill,but you-the victim-can't kill the psycho-what an upside-down world.Before the handgun ban,that s.o.b. would have been shot at point-blank range by several 9mm hollow-point rounds,that were to of found themselves in his head and chest-if I was his victim then.:) :) How the hell can you talk the talk about dangerous situations,when 99% of the time one cannot resolve it without extreme violence? Put yourself in the victims place and pray that you never have a dangerous encounter with a nutcase or other type of low-life sicko.

If you are ever in a position to the one that you described-PLEASE act like A PEACE-LOVING PERSON,because if you act the nice-guy,you get absolutely nowhere and the the attacker will laugh at you and continue to carry out their intended assault on you. :neener:

Another wonderful quote:"Considering that neither pepper spray nor tasers are adequate for self-defense" this is just a lie, Any qualified city police officer would laugh at you.

Do you know what? I would laugh at them and tell them to F??k off because they don't know what it is or what it could be like for an intended victim and I would tell them to come out of the coffee shops and burger bars and do some bloody work, instead of pigging out on doughnuts,burgers,pretzels and hotdogs.No offence here to cops that frequent these establishments-but this is aimed at lazy,obnoxious cops,who are incapable of maintaining law and order.A cop in Australia has-kindly issued by the state-their defensive sprays,batons and service revolvers or pistols-so they have enough protection against a small to medium threat-rated criminal-but a citizen can't have this for self-protection apparently in your country,because your PM is a retarded doofus WHO HATES GUNS.

If you saw a gun that was about to be fired at you-in the hands of your attacker-,you would be grateful for a mace/pepper/chilli spray and taser,if you lacked a firearm.

What happens if you were attacked by a junkie or a mentally-ill person? would you TALK THEM OUT OF IT?

So some thinking to do and THINK BEFORE YOU POST.No-one here wants to kill or seriously assault a person for the fun of it,but they would if their lives or the lives of their families and friends were in immediate danger-by such unsavoury characters.
 
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Great comments and research thus far.

The irony is that the countries where Handguns are illegal are also the ones with the lowest crime and rape numbers through out the world.

I can't add but only repeat to review the empirical evidence others here have mentioned that show that this claim is FALSE. I will comment that in Africa's poverty and political unrest (lawlessness), rape and murder continue in a genocidal way against the common person simply because they cannot defend themselves from armed bands. Pepper spray will not solve this issue.

Let me try to explain this in another way. A rapist that is out to attack you is doing so as an act of violence. Rape is an act of violence, plain and simply. Rapists often MURDER their victims too. Any self defense instructor, victim of this, and law enforcement officer will tell you that you are not just fighting against a rape, you are fighting for your life. That is the cold stark truth to the matter.

Do you still feel that hoping for a correct shot of pepper spray should be the only way people can defend from such unmitigated violence? Do you know pepper spray does not work often? Are you willing to gamble yourself and maybe your children's lives with that fact? Are you saying you want to force honest people to be victims and inhibit them from their right to life and defend it because you believe they should not be able to properly out of your own personal opinion on guns? It's your free will not to have one or use it. It is another's free will to legally own one and use it.

Fear of deadly force (consequence) up to defending your life to stop such force with fatal force is the only way one can defend oneself from such violence. It is a cold hard fact. Life is full of these, we cannot dance around the issue, because rapists\murderers won't.
 
Frankly, after nosing about on his MySpace (if it's actually this person that emailed Oleg), it appears as if our young Fauntleroy has enough of a taste for the drink to preclude an inordinate amount of thought to that which -as misguided as I personally find hoplophobes to be- is at least given a serious amount of thought by them. :scrutiny:

Methinks 'tis merely the empty antics of an impish youth who stumbled upon an opportunity to stir a pot that's monitored by us pesky grownups.

"Croiky! Knackered again!!!" I suspect that before his evening is over: :barf:
 
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Youngsters seem to think that self-defense is a matter of fisticuffs and kung-fu...

Okay, youngster. Let me get yoda-like for a moment or three. Old fat crippled men with guns harder to rob, are, than old fat crippled men with cell phones.
 
If anyone missed it, go back and read hso's post. He handily dismissed the notion that the West's gun control utopias are rape-free zones.

An off the cuff hypothesis related to this subject: one of the ways America is kept relatively safe from political extremism is the RKBA. Not because would-be tyrants fear violence, but because the people who would otherwise support them are too accustomed to keeping themselves secure. Europe is currently experiencing a rape/gang rape epidemic. Muslims are vastly overrepresented among the attackers. This is one of the biggest recruiting points shared by the Front National, British National Party, Vlaams Belang, etc. People are voting in ever-increasing numbers for these parties because they want a government that will keep them safe from a very real threat that the old parties refuse to even acknowledge exists. Here in America, however, our equivalent issues fail to create success for racial nationalist groups because Americans are able to safeguard themselves and therefore are less likely to vote for safety in the form of boots, armbands, and truncheons. Food for thought.
 
The irony is that the countries where Handguns are illegal are also the ones with the lowest crime and rape numbers through out the world.
Ummm - prove it. You might want to check out the actual statistics and laws before you say something like that.
 
Oleg,

Some people just don't get it. You've been discovered by one of them. No responsibility for this person's terminal cluelessness resides with you, fortunately.

"Thanks for your time, you should be shot"

Also, you bear no responsibility for their lack of basic humanity and decency.

Attempting communication with this troll is likely a waste of electrons, IMO.

lpl/nc
 
In the same vein as American By Blood's post, I'd like to quote an excerpt from a letter written to Kim du Toit (not by me). I don't have a link to the original, but I feel that it needs to be shared.

I thought, all my life, that I couldn't own a gun safely, that no one could, really. Guns were dangerous and icky. Even after I realized that the Second Amendment was not quite the shriveled, antiquated appendix I'd been taught, for a couple of years or so I still wobbled around with the training-wheel comfort of believing that while not all gun owners were necessarily gap-toothed red-necked fascist militia whackos, I myself ought not to own firearms. I was too clumsy and careless, and guns were still dangerous and icky.

Just before 9/11 I woke up to how quickly my liberty was eroding, and in a fit of anger and defiance started saving for a handgun while training with rentals. (Thanks to Harry at Texas Shooters Range here in Houston.) When I actually bought one (to the horror and confusion of my friends and family), having it around the house, carrying it in my car, talking about it, showing it off, and of course shooting and maintaining it, taught me what I could not learn from books, magazines, classes, or even Usenet:

It taught me that freedom takes practice.

I thought I'd practiced. I'm as full of opinions as the next guy, and not shy about passing 'em out to anyone who'll listen. I read banned books and underground comics. I've walked the picket lines and hung out with undesirables. A preacher's kid, I pointedly don't practice a religion. I've done stuff that Wasn't Allowed.

But when I got a gun, I discovered it had all been safe, padded, wading-pool-with-floaties dabbling. After near on to fifty years, I finally started to grow up. If my Grands are any clue, I've still got twenty or thirty years to work on it, and get to be something like mature by the time I go senile.

It's not just that rights are useless if they are not exercised, not even that rights must be used or be lost. It's that exercising your rights, constantly, is what instructs you in how to be worthy of them.

Being armed goes far beyond simple self-protection against thugs or even tyrants -- it's an unequivocal and unmatched lesson that you are politically and morally sovereign; that you, and not the state, are responsible for your life and your fate. This absolute personal sovereignty is the founding stone of the Republic. "A well-regulated militia" (where the militia is "the whole people") isn't just "necessary to the security of a free state" because it provides a backup to (and defense against) the police and the army. More importantly, keeping and bearing arms trains sovereign citizens in the art of freedom, and accustoms us to our authority and duty.
 
This site could/would make any women without a hand gun feel insecure about being raped,
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i was working the front door at a concert a few weeks back, wanding people, looking for weapons. unfortunately, it was a youthful crowd, no one seemed to have any contraband of any sort. except for the one pothead who produced his pipe from his pockets when we asked that all metal objects be put in a little basket. but i digress...

i take such opportunities to gauge who is ready and willing to do what it takes to defend themselves. none of these teenage girls were prepared. i asked a few why young females dont carry things like pocket knives, if not for protection, but as a utility. they couldnt formulate an answer.

one girl had this perplexed look on her face when i asked "where is your defensive weapon?"
"how do you plan to protect yourself? do you think that by hoping and praying nothing bad will happen to you that is enough?"
i finished with her by asking to see her 'War Face'. it wasnt very convincing.

god forbid people should ever wish to defend themselves. or better yet, be the slightest bit independant enough to try to take care of themselves.

the crowd who attends boxing or Alaska Fighting Championships is more fun, mid-20's, and the women that attend usually have better answers about where their weapons are.
 
This site could/would make any women without a hand gun feel insecure about being raped

And that, my friends, is the money quote. Nothing much more needs to be said. Do people like Lee Launay actually read what they write? Or is it all just InstantMessage, emotional outbursts?
 
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