Employers shun service to weed out illegal hires

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This has been a well kept secret as far as I am concerned. I had never heard of it. I think they should coordinate with the IRS to send this information to anybody that files a business tax return.

Employers shun service to weed out illegal hires
Web-based program accesses databases, IDs phony documents 'within a minute'
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44726

An 8-year-old federal program that permits employers to use the Internet to instantly verify prospective hires' legal eligibility to work in the U.S. is being used by less that 1/10 of 1 percent of the nation's companies because it is voluntary, under-publicized and puts its users at a competitive disadvantage to firms who continue to hire illegal workers.

The Basic Employment Verification Pilot Program, first begun in 1997 in California, Florida, Illinois, Texas and New York, because of their high numbers of illegal aliens, was extended last year through 2008 and expanded to all 50 states. The free and voluntary program lets employers register online and, after self-training with a brief tutorial, input information on newly-hired employees that is quickly verified by checks against databases at the Social Security Administration and Department of Homeland Security.

Since 1986, when Congress made it illegal for companies to knowingly hire undocumented workers, employers have been caught in a Catch-22 – not knowing with certainty if the documents provided by the employee were genuine and not wanting to be sued for discrimination in hiring. The employment verification program was designed to fill that gap, and, according to the minority of employers using it, it does the job well.


"I have an answer back within a minute," Martin Thompson, vice president for human resources at Bar-S Foods Co., a Phoenix-based meat-processing firm told the Arizona Republic. The company has been able to participate in the program since 1998 because some of its 1,500 employees are in California and Texas.

Increasingly, the debate over immigration is raising the role employers play by providing the jobs to illegals. As reported by WorldNetDaily, the Minuteman Project is expanding its activities to include monitoring of employers who hire undocumented workers.

Last week, anti-illegal immigration demonstrators turned out in Tennessee calling for $25,000 fines against employers who willingly hire illegals.

"We have become a magnet for illegal aliens," said radio talk show host Phil Valentine who spearheaded the turnout. "We're wanting to demagnetize Tennessee, (but) it's all about passing comprehensive laws on a state level so we don't attract illegal aliens anymore. If we cut off the reason of them coming, they'll stop coming. We can talk about deporting and arresting, but until you address why they're coming, you're never going to solve the problem."

Because the law only requires employers to check documents, but not determine their authenticity, illegals have continued to be hired using fraudulent papers – and employers have been able to plead ignorance.

According to the Pew Hispanic Center, there were 7 million undocumented workers in the U.S. last year – 55 percent of whom were hired using documents with fabricated or stolen Social Security numbers, according to the Center for Immigration Studies.

The government's web-based employment verification program could seriously reduce those numbers, say those who want the program mandatory.

"If it's applied to everyone, all the businesses would be on an even playing field," says Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, a Washington, D.C., research organization that favors tighter limits on immigration.

"That's the real problem with this," adds Thompson, of Bar-S. "If a person is illegal and doesn't have the proper documents, then they just go down the road to the next employer."

Nationally, only 4,385 companies of the 5.7 million counted by the U.S. Census are using the program, says Chris Bentley, spokesman for U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services – less that 1/10 of 1 percent of all employers.

According to Denver immigration lawyer Ann Allott, there haven't been many incentives for employers to use the voluntary system. The law only lets the IRS fine companies up to $400 per year for each employee whose name doesn't match his or her social security number. Only businesses where more than 10 percent of the work force has discrepancies between names and numbers are contacted by Social Security. Follow up is even more spotty, Allott told the Denver Post.

In Arizona, the number of businesses fined for immigration violations dropped from 909 to 124 between 1995 and 2003, despite the rising influx of illegal aliens.

One Denver corporation that runs a group of restaurants found the motivation to begin using the employment verification program after one of its employees – an illegal alien – killed a policeman last month. The business, partly owned by Denver's mayor had received notice last year of 107 people working in its restaurants – roughly 1 in 7 employees – with Social Security numbers that didn't match their names.
 
Apparently, enforcement and prosecution are almost non-existent. Start slapping some of these lowlife employers with fines and the situation will change.
 
Last week, anti-illegal immigration demonstrators turned out in Tennessee calling for $25,000 fines against employers who willingly hire illegals.

We're not "anti-immigration." We're adamantly opposed to illegal aliens. There's all the difference in the world between legal immigrants, who've always been one of America's greatest strengths, and illegal aliens, who are parasites.
 
Really?
http://www.lp.org/issues/immigration.shtml
No condemnation of illegal aliens in there.

Michael Badnarik: "My goal is to encourage legitimate immigration - people coming to the United States to live free and work hard - while defending the nation against enemies who come here to harm it and parasites who come here to live on government largesse.

"I advocate open immigration for individuals who are willing to enter at a Customs and Immigration station and submit to a quick background check to ensure that they aren't criminals or terrorists. And except for extreme cases such as Cuban and Haitian boat refugees who don't have much control over where they land, I advocate treating people who cross the borders elsewhere as what they are: invaders.

"A more open immigration regime, coupled with the elimination of welfare incentives, would greatly reduce the resources needed to provide real border security. And the proper agency for that security is the armed forces - once we've brought them home from Japan, Korea, Germany, Iraq, Afghanistan ..."
 
The money in the Republican Party likes cheap labor, and the DLC scumbags who sold out the labor movement last administration to corporate interests (NAFTA, etc) liked cheap labor too.

Eliminated their need/desire for cheap labor 1st, otherwise its all moot.
 
No, but if you, as an American citizen apply for a job, they want a piss test for drugs (with more to come), a criminal background check, signed statements, character references, employment history, no smokers, a session with a licensed shrink.........ect., ect...
 
Employers are not cops.

For cop work, call a cop.

Hunting down illegal immigrants is an unfunded mandate, and businesmen are businesmen. If we wanted to be cops, we would have badges and pretty blue suits.

We get stronger when an immigrant crosses the border.

The main reason the service isn't being used is because there's no reason to use it, and since time is valuable, at least to most of us, there is always at least one reason not to bother.

Intente tener un día agradable.
 
Jammer
Kindly explain why you think that "we get stronger when an immigrant crosses the border" if you would. Immigrants are reintroducing diseases such as leprosy to this country that we had wiped out decades ago. 34% of our federal prisoners are illegal aliens. Illegal mexicans sent 16 billion dollars back to Mex last year. That's 16 bill that doesn't go back into our economy. They suck up our tax dollars, both local and Fed, through bi-lingual ed, medical care, and various social programs. They're putting many border state hospitals out of 'bidness'. These are just a few examples that quickly come to mind when I think of why "we get stronger when an immigrant crosses the border".
I'm sure that I missed a couple. Care to edify me?
*wink wink*
Biker :rolleyes:
 
Hunting down illegal immigrants is an unfunded mandate, and businesmen are businesmen. If we wanted to be cops, we would have badges and pretty blue suits.
So lemme see here. All you do is employ people and make money, that right? By that statement I assume you are not withholding taxes on your employees? You don't withold social security contributions (both your tax side and your employees contribution side). You don't make any payments for workman's comp? You do have workman's comp, right. You don't comply with EPA rules, OSHA rules, ADA rules?

I ain't buyin' your rhetorical capitalist bilge. You are already an extension of every level of government by virture of the permission government grants you with a business license. (I don't think its right, I just think that's the way it is). You withold tax payments because each and every level of government would come down on you for failure to comply with existing laws. You use rhetoric to justify not complying with immigration law because GOVERNMENT IS CHOOSING NOT TO ENFORCE LAWS AGAINST HIRING CRIMINAL ALIENS AND YOU ARE ACHIEVING A COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE. I will be willing to bet that if INS and its successors decided to conduct workplace enforcement in your city you would indeed drop the party line. Try looking at it this way: doing a 2 minute internet database check to see if you are violating immigration law is A COST OF DOING BUSINESS. Don't want to bear the cost? Then get out of the business. . . . .Consider checking on criminal aliens to be no different than the costs you already incur complying with the gizilliion of other government mandated costs.

Human ability to delude one's self is truly astounding!!!!

<breathes deeply, focusing on a distant spot>
 
Common business sense dictates that the cheapest labor be hired. If the work can be done off shore, that's even better since US labor laws don't apply.

I've found that a good engineer or IT person can be had for $3-$4 per hour in India and China. Our Texas shop is closing up and we're sending 200 jobs over there this year.
 
WT:

>> Our Texas shop is closing up and we're sending 200 jobs over there this year. <<

So if I understand correctly, 200 American workers will lose they're jobs. Then at all levels our economy will be diminished, except of course that the company's bottom line will improve - at least in the short term.

Those 200 employees represented buying power. They bought products and services from sellers in the United States and paid taxes to various levels of government.

The workers in India, no matter how productive, will make no such contributions to our society.

If American businesses decide to export all of the jobs they will eventually run out of customers...

Today thousands of Americans buy firearms made in other countries, and buy related products at some "big-box" mart rather then a local dealer. Then they complain about the lack of selection or quality being produced by domestic firms, and the lack of personal service and perks they used to find at a local dealer (such as a selection of used guns). And wonder why that dealer isn't in business anymore.

Of course there is much more to this then I've related, and any story has at least two sides.

When I was a young man - and that was some time ago - this country was dependent on no one. Our economy was self-contained and self-supporting. Today that is less and less true. Somehow I don't think we're getting ahead.
 
Those 200 employees represented buying power. They bought products and services from sellers in the United States and paid taxes to various levels of government.

The workers in India, no matter how productive, will make no such contributions to our society.

If American businesses decide to export all of the jobs they will eventually run out of customers...
Penetrating logic that is beginning to penetrate the skulls of even the most ardent "free traders" (which isn't free trade but "Government Sanctioned and Managed Trade").

I've said on other occasions our fascination with offshoring and transnational outsourcing will go away just as soon as government suffers a decline in tax revenue. Until that happens, government just gave business a wet kiss for going away and not forcing government to do what has to be done in global competition. . . . .reduce the cost of government at home.
 
Ya, I was also going to mention that the Pacific Rim countries are not great importers of our manufactured goods, just farm products and raw materials - such a timber or finished plywood, etc.

Most of the larger exporters (China, Japan, etc.) do not welcome our goods, and it should be noted that our government does nothing but jaw-jack.

Waitone is right. This isn't free-trade, it's managed-trade, and managed to our disadvantage. Unless of course you're a farmer or producer of certain raw materials.
 
Then why do employers drug screen?

To weed out potential employees that would be more prone to absenteeism, employee theft, cost the employer more in health care costs and workman's comp premiums, and be more likely to injure themselves and others.
 
Then why do employers drug screen?
Because strung out junkies make bad employees.

The drawbacks that come with a crackhead running a forklift or working on a scaffolding have nothing to do with cops or laws.

Next time you're under a crane, look up and wonder if...

...oh, never mind. If you worked under a crane, you wouldn't have asked that question. :rolleyes:
 
As we can see, people who are out only for themselves will keep winning. And it's not necessarily their fault. It's the way we have sold out the Constitution over the years. I have little hope for the future of America. The American people have failed in their oversight and the corporations have taken control of our government.
 
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