Fine for Hiring Illegal Aliens Should Be $10k, Republican Says

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Fine for Hiring Illegal Aliens Should Be $10k, Republican Says
By Jeff Johnson
http://www.cnsnews.com/Politics/Archive/200508/POL20050817a.html

(CNSNews.com) - Lawmakers have proposed a number of "solutions" to the problem of illegal immigration, from amnesty programs to mass deportations. But one conservative Republican says the key to discouraging illegal immigration is to hit the employers who hire them right where it counts: in the wallet.

"We can no longer attack illegal immigration on the supply side without attacking the demand side," Rep. Sue Myrick (R-N.C.) said Monday while promoting legislation she will introduce to provide for detention, mandatory deportation and expedited removal of any illegal alien arrested for driving under the influence (DUI).

The "Scott Gardner Act" is in response to the death of one of Myrick's constituents, who was killed by an illegal alien with five previous DUI convictions. While the DUI legislation received widespread coverage from the "mainstream" media, Myrick's plan to reduce the flow of illegal immigrants into the U.S. received almost no attention.

The former chairwoman of the House Republican Study Committee noted that, while employing an illegal alien is a violation of federal law, the current fine a business faces for doing so is only $250 per illegal immigrant hired.

"I will introduce a bill that raises that civil fine from $250 per alien to $10,000 per alien," Myrick said, according to a copy of her prepared remarks, "and will give the arresting law enforcement agency a cut of the fine."

Myrick plans to call the legislation the "10k Run for the Border Act," a name she said is "self-explanatory."

"I am no mathematician, but if North Carolina has 300,000 illegal aliens and just half of them are employed," Myrick said, "this action could raise at least $1.2 billion that could be rolled back into the fight against illegal immigration."

Ira Mehlman, spokesman for the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), a group that supports stricter border control and enforcement of immigration laws, told Cybercast News Service that more will have to change than just the amount of the fine.

"You could make the penalty a billion dollars; it wouldn't matter if you're not going to impose it against anybody," said Mehlman, who claimed that no fines were imposed on employers for hiring illegal aliens in 2004. "The first thing they have to do is actually start fining employers."

While surveys show that at least a majority of Americans want curbs on illegal immigration, Mehlman charged that the response is frequently only "hot air from Congress.

"A few members of Congress are going to have to lose their jobs over this," Mehlman argued, stressing that he is not questioning Myrick's intentions.

"I'm sure she is very sincere. It's not her sincerity that I doubt. It is what will happen after this bill is passed," Mehlman explained. "Why would they be any more likely to enforce the law then than they are right now?"

FAIR complains that both "ethnic interest groups" and business interests are advocating against effective enforcement of limits on immigration.

"They are the ones who are pressuring Congress not to do anything," Mehlman said. "Very often, these are substantial interest groups with substantial resources to donate to political campaign, and that's one of the ways they keep the pressure on."

Mehlman agreed with Myrick that the fine levied on employers who hire illegal aliens must be "a substantial amount."

"A slap on the wrist isn't going to discourage people," Mehlman added, "especially when there are obvious economic benefits to hiring somebody at a fraction of what it would cost to hire an American worker."

Illegal immigrants not only cost American workers jobs, Mehlman argued, they provide "a labor subsidy for the employers."

"They (employers) get to pay the low wages, and then everybody else has to pick up the costs of all sorts of social programs," Mehlman said. "Wherever you go in this country, people are angry about this, and it cuts across ideological lines, it cuts across racial and ethnic lines."

Myrick's proposal came on the same day that Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano declared a state of emergency in four counties that share the U.S. border with Mexico. New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson took an identical action the previous Friday.

Both Democrats said that the federal government has failed to stop property destruction, thefts and other crimes associated with illegal immigration and drug running, so their states had no choice but to act.

The emergency declarations will free money to pay for law enforcement overtime, equipment and supplies needed to combat the estimated 500,000 illegal aliens who enter the U.S. every year. That annual influx, according to the U.S. Census Bureau, is in addition to as many as nine million illegal immigrants already living in the country.

President Bush has proposed a "temporary guest worker" program that would allow foreign nationals to enter the country for limited periods of time to work in jobs the president claims "Americans will not do." The White House denies that the program is an "amnesty" as charged by critics.
 
$10k per might be a minimum threshhold. I would prefer seizure of all the business assets and jailing of the owners, however.
 
"I will introduce a bill that raises that civil fine from $250 per alien to $10,000 per alien," Myrick said, according to a copy of her prepared remarks, [highlight]"and will give the arresting law enforcement agency a cut of the fine."[/highlight]

That's going to make it interesting.

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Incentive! I like it.

Be very careful with incentive. Look at the War On Drugs, incentive has not worked in the citizens favor.


That being said. I agree with this post:

$10k per might be a minimum threshhold. I would prefer seizure of all the business assets and jailing of the owners, however.
 
To me, this has been the obvious solution from the beginning. In fact, all the crap I have been hearing coming out of Washington is proof to me that they are not the least bit serious about stopping the flow. If they were serious about stopping these people from coming here illegally, they would take away their incentive to come in the first place. They would severely punish anyone that hires them, they would bar them from receiving any government benefits, they would not have any government documents printed in Spanish, heck the could even make it illegal for a non-citizen to own real estate/register a vehicle/get a drivers license etc. I know this would be the least popular thing but they also couldn't extend any benefits to illegal children: they arn't admitted into schools, get no free immunizations etc.

They wouldn't have to worry about patrolling the border, no one would be coming.
But this would all be too easy. All it would take is a stoke of the pen. Instead, let's come up with some obviously unworkable/impossible scheme.
 
The fine is a great idea, but the .gov needs to come up with a way to identify who's illegal and who's not. The employer needs a way to distinguish bogus ID in a timely manner. There is a pilot program in place but I believe that it is not particularly effective.
 
Very true.
But, I guess the problem of false identity has been around ever since man was capable of leaving his tiny village of birth and wandering out into the world.
Right now, we accept certain documents as proof of identity. Usually a drivers license suffices since the DMV usually requires a birth certificate and social security card in order to get a drivers license. Of course these documents can be faked, made even easier with modern computers. But, that would be a good start: at least requiring some kind of proof of birth. I am sure that most of the employers that are hiring illegals are doing so, knowing they are illegals. They might think twice about this practice if their own assets are on the line instead of INS simply deporting the worker.
 
Incentive! I like it.
Incentives like that lead to abuse and entrapment.


Police departments should be encouraged to enforce the law because it's their freakin' job ... not because they will get bonuses for enforcing some laws over others.

So, should I get paid extra just because I showed up for work and do my job?
 
It's a good start, but why stop there? The government should check the ancestry of everyone living in the United States now. If any of their ancestors immigrated here illegally, the government should seize all their assets and deport them to their ancestor's country of origin. Why should these people be allowed to profit from the illegal activities of their forebears?
 
$10k per might be a minimum threshhold. I would prefer seizure of all the business assets and jailing of the owners, however.


I agree with this....There's alot of illegals here in Ohio...both in the southeastern part and the northeastern part taking jobs from the poor people that actually are residents :fire:
 
So, should I get paid extra just because I showed up for work and do my job?

No, but if you do your job uncommonly well, your employer may want to give you a bonus to reward you and keep you from considering employment elsewhere.

The "Scott Gardner Act" is in response to the death of one of Myrick's constituents, who was killed by an illegal alien with five previous DUI convictions.

A hundred years from now, our descendants will marvel that such measures were ever necessary. They'll wonder how we could have been such fools as to allow the parasites into the nation in the oft-cited "first place."
 
Standing Wolf,

I'd prefer a future where they wonder how so many countries could have been such cesspools, so unable to control their criminals and corruption that they exported the problem to other countries to such an extent that those countries had to put up fences and immigration controls.

But yes, 10k sounds good. It's enough to eliminate the financial benefits to hiring illegals. From what I hear, $250 is less than the monthly difference between hiring an illegal or a legal. If you figure a 10% catch rate a year, that's an extra 1k in costs per illegal. Thinking that way, it might need to be even higher, like a 100k, but putting some of the 10k fine back into enforcement could increase the catch rate. And, at least at first, you're going to need to let businesses know that they'll need to really check their people.
 
Scott Gardner was killed, his wife seriously injured, and two children suffering from a drunken driver (illegal alien) was was in custody of NC LE on 3 occasions (IIRC). He was busted on the same charges in Michigan 2 times before moving down south. Now because locals say it is not their business to enforce federal immigration law NC now has a dead teacher, a seriously injured wife, and two screwed up kids. The story is so compelling that even the Charlotte Observer covered it.

Sue Myrick is a republican toadie. She toes the party line every time. When questioned about her support of the Patriot Act I, she famously said "Hey, if you haven't done anything wrong you shouldnt' have anything to be worried about." If she is sponsoring substantive legislation (and bounties qualifies as substantive) the heat has to be really high. We will be able to tell if we've reached a tipping point when those up for election begin moving. All in all a positive sign.

$10,000 fine? Nice start after the employer pays the entire bill of deportation including housing, transportation, and legal costs.
 
They'd stop coming if we'd stop giving 'em stuff.

And I don't mean jobs, I mean subsidized healthcare, education, and all the rest, that allow them to work for artificially low salaries. Make them live a capitalist lifestyle, and they'll soon demand the same wages that Americans do.

Making the employers into detectives is not the solution.
 
Sounds like a good idea to me. Once the companies are afraid to hire them there will not be such a demand for them. The INS does nothing about the immigrants and even if they do, they just give them a nice meal and send them back to Mexico so they can come back the next day and try again.
 
Before knocking local law enforcement, consider that dealing with illegals is a federal thing. Think "jurisdiction".

Don't forget the judge's decision against local law enforcement arresting illegals for "trespass". (New Hampshire?)

Art
 
Illegal 'immigration' is no less than an all out invasion of the U.S. and demands an appropriate response. It's true that unregulated employment of illegals is only part of the problem. Free welfare and healthcare are just as big an issue. We tried to cut that off here in CA ahwile back when we passed Prop 187 but were overruled by a judge. So much for the 'will of the people'.

Between the governors of two state declaring 'emergencies', the minutemen's successful efforts, and now this proposal, hopefully the do nothing checked pants country club Republicans will get the message.
 
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