Ending the animal's life...
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huntsman
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Yeah I was walking home during deer gun season when a Warden stopped in his truck to check me out and as per Ohio law I informed him I had a CCW and was armed, his response was make sure to keep the pistol concealed and it was illegal to dispatch a deer with my CC gun.
I believe there's an attempt to change that law and to be honest with the new check in system I'm not sure how it's enforceable as it is.
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guyfromohio
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"If I'm hunting with a slug gun and only have my CCW on me, my only choice is to use a slug to the brain or cut the throat."
"Yeah I was walking home during deer gun season when a Warden stopped in his truck to check me out and as per Ohio law I informed him I had a CCW and was armed, his response was make to keep the pistol concealed and it was illegal to dispatch a deer with my CC gun.
I believe there's an attempt to change that law and to be honest with the new check in system I'm not sure how it's enforceable as it is."
Silly, isn't it? Where is the animal in this discussion? The humanity? It's simply a bureaucratic decision void of common sense. If I have a snubby or a 9mm on me, why not use it to dispatch humanely and quickly?
"Yeah I was walking home during deer gun season when a Warden stopped in his truck to check me out and as per Ohio law I informed him I had a CCW and was armed, his response was make to keep the pistol concealed and it was illegal to dispatch a deer with my CC gun.
I believe there's an attempt to change that law and to be honest with the new check in system I'm not sure how it's enforceable as it is."
Silly, isn't it? Where is the animal in this discussion? The humanity? It's simply a bureaucratic decision void of common sense. If I have a snubby or a 9mm on me, why not use it to dispatch humanely and quickly?
Loyalist Dave
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Because they've had, or expect to have, some knucklehead who will take his CC handgun with him when squirrel hunting though it's also deer season and not have a slug for his shotgun, who will then use that handgun to try to take that deer that just happens to walk by.
There is in any group activity that requires responsible conduct, a small percentage of knuckleheads, who often outlandishly act and thus screw up the activity for the majority of responsible people.
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There is in any group activity that requires responsible conduct, a small percentage of knuckleheads, who often outlandishly act and thus screw up the activity for the majority of responsible people.
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LUCKYDAWG13
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If I'm hunting with a slug gun and only have my CCW on me, my only choice is to use a slug to the brain or cut the throat.
Yeah I was walking home during deer gun season when a Warden stopped in his truck to check me out and as per Ohio law I informed him I had a CCW and was armed, his response was make sure to keep the pistol concealed and it was illegal to dispatch a deer with my CC gun.
I believe there's an attempt to change that law and to be honest with the new check in system I'm not sure how it's enforceable as it is.
we have the same law in Illinois but if your CC is legal to hunt with you can use it
for deer to so i picked up a ruger NM BH in 41 mag 4 5/8 barrel. for the week that i deer hunt as far as slitting a deer throat with a knife no way if you got kicked in the chest by
by a deer hoof it could kill you. i shot a turkey once and it was not dead i went to grab
it by his legs. dont do that it ripped my arms up had to finish him off with a log.
so if the animal is still alive when i walk up to it dont thank twice about it
shoot em in the head .
If I'm hunting with a slug gun and only have my CCW on me, my only choice is to use a slug to the brain or cut the throat.
Yeah I was walking home during deer gun season when a Warden stopped in his truck to check me out and as per Ohio law I informed him I had a CCW and was armed, his response was make sure to keep the pistol concealed and it was illegal to dispatch a deer with my CC gun.
I believe there's an attempt to change that law and to be honest with the new check in system I'm not sure how it's enforceable as it is.
we have the same law in Illinois but if your CC is legal to hunt with you can use it
for deer to so i picked up a ruger NM BH in 41 mag 4 5/8 barrel. for the week that i deer hunt as far as slitting a deer throat with a knife no way if you got kicked in the chest by
by a deer hoof it could kill you. i shot a turkey once and it was not dead i went to grab
it by his legs. dont do that it ripped my arms up had to finish him off with a log.
so if the animal is still alive when i walk up to it dont thank twice about it
shoot em in the head .
illinoisburt
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Illinois is illegal to carry any firearm while archery hunting, regardless if you have a CC license or not. During the gun deer seasons, while you are hunting you cannot carry a sidearm however you are allowed to carry more than one legal hunting firearm. The only legal hunting handguns are revolvers and single shots with 4"+ barrel of appropriate caliber:
• For handguns, a bottleneck centerfire cartridge of .30 caliber or larger with a case length not exceeding 1.4 inches, or a straight-walled centerfire cartridge of .30 caliber or larger, both of which must be available as a factory load with the published ballistic tables of the manufacturer showing a capability of at least 500 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle. There is no case length limit for straight-walled cartridges.
• Non-expanding, military-style full metal jacket bullet cannot be used to harvest white-tailed deer; only soft point or expanding bullets (including copper/copper-alloy rounds designed for hunting) are legal ammunition.
Source: IL DNR http://www.dnr.illinois.gov/hunting/Documents/HuntTrapDigest.pdf
Doesn't leave a whole lot of wiggle room on gun/caliber choices. BTW local CPO recommended I not use hard cast bullets in my 44mag as it was a gray area whether they were legal or not. Told me should stick with SP or HP designs to avoid potential confusion about the ammo if I was stopped in the field. Supposedly someone was written a ticket and had a gun/ammo confiscated when they couldn't tell, though whether that actually happened is circumspect in my mind.
If an animal is still alive and needs to be finished just shoot them again with your hunting weapon.
• For handguns, a bottleneck centerfire cartridge of .30 caliber or larger with a case length not exceeding 1.4 inches, or a straight-walled centerfire cartridge of .30 caliber or larger, both of which must be available as a factory load with the published ballistic tables of the manufacturer showing a capability of at least 500 foot pounds of energy at the muzzle. There is no case length limit for straight-walled cartridges.
• Non-expanding, military-style full metal jacket bullet cannot be used to harvest white-tailed deer; only soft point or expanding bullets (including copper/copper-alloy rounds designed for hunting) are legal ammunition.
Source: IL DNR http://www.dnr.illinois.gov/hunting/Documents/HuntTrapDigest.pdf
Doesn't leave a whole lot of wiggle room on gun/caliber choices. BTW local CPO recommended I not use hard cast bullets in my 44mag as it was a gray area whether they were legal or not. Told me should stick with SP or HP designs to avoid potential confusion about the ammo if I was stopped in the field. Supposedly someone was written a ticket and had a gun/ammo confiscated when they couldn't tell, though whether that actually happened is circumspect in my mind.
If an animal is still alive and needs to be finished just shoot them again with your hunting weapon.
I recently got a book on the killing and butchering of animals. It recommended a top-down head shot for most all animals when solely trying to dispatch them. Sometimes where an X would form on a line between the eyes and opposite ears, sometimes eyes to opposite horns (or where they would be).
I plan on trying this when/if I need to dispatch the next hog or deer.
I plan on trying this when/if I need to dispatch the next hog or deer.
illinoisburt
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Try a trapping reference instead. Although I'm sure a bullet to the brain from any direction will work, shooting down into the skull from above risks a ricochet and grazing wound if your shot angle is off.
.455_Hunter
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Here in CO, your "coup de grace" weapon MUST still be a legal hunting weapon. For a pistol, that would be 550 ft/lb at 50 yards with an expanding bullet and 4" barrel, not the .38 snub you stuck in your coat pocket.
When my Grandfather first went mule deer hunting here in the 50's, he shot a big buck with his .270 Model 70, and approached the downed animal to cut its throat. As he straddled the animal, the buck woke-up and give my Grandfather quite the ride, with him slashing at its neck. When the deer was finally dead, they found out he hit an antler, temporarily knocking out the buck from the skull impact.
The above incident is reinforced every hunting season in my family about how to approach a downed animal.
When my Grandfather first went mule deer hunting here in the 50's, he shot a big buck with his .270 Model 70, and approached the downed animal to cut its throat. As he straddled the animal, the buck woke-up and give my Grandfather quite the ride, with him slashing at its neck. When the deer was finally dead, they found out he hit an antler, temporarily knocking out the buck from the skull impact.
The above incident is reinforced every hunting season in my family about how to approach a downed animal.
james layman
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Ending animals life. However you dispatch a deer, approach from his backside. I heard of an event many years ago. The deer raised up and tore through a hunting coat and spilled the hunters insides. He did not survive. Be safe.
Crawdad1
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I couldn't agree more. Seen a crippled deer throw a 260 lbs. man around like a rag doll when he tried to slit its throat with a knife. I've only taken deer with a flintlock and use another round ball to the head, done.
txcookie
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I have dispatched 3 deer by simply poking my knife into the heart. It's fast and thought it was safe but these were spine shot and not going any where
I now have more sense and should I need a finish is will be another arrow or shot into the lungs
I now have more sense and should I need a finish is will be another arrow or shot into the lungs
Double Naught Spy
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If I walk up on the downed animal and it is still breathing, I shoot it again. I have a hunting buddy that this drives crazy because he figures it is a waste of ammo on an animal that is very close to death anyway. I see no reason to let it suffer (assuming it may be conscious). The 'wasted' ammo is a negligible expense.
Besides, if I have walked up to the animal, then I have other activities to be doing. I don't want to be sitting around next to the animal, waiting for it to expire before I get started doing what I need to do with it. In my view, the finishing shot is both humane and efficient.
Besides, if I have walked up to the animal, then I have other activities to be doing. I don't want to be sitting around next to the animal, waiting for it to expire before I get started doing what I need to do with it. In my view, the finishing shot is both humane and efficient.
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