Enduro Motorcycle for Hunting Transportation
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MCgunner
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Here's what I use to haul out game.
http://thedeersleighr.com/
Just tie it to the rack and pull it out. I've hauled out THREE smaller hogs with it at one time. Pretty capable. Here's a hog on top of it I'm getting ready to tie up and drag with my 200. Notice the muck he's in. It was wet that year.
Small deer like this spike, I can haul out without the deer sleigh'r, but it's more convenient to drag 'em.
http://thedeersleighr.com/
Just tie it to the rack and pull it out. I've hauled out THREE smaller hogs with it at one time. Pretty capable. Here's a hog on top of it I'm getting ready to tie up and drag with my 200. Notice the muck he's in. It was wet that year.
Small deer like this spike, I can haul out without the deer sleigh'r, but it's more convenient to drag 'em.
MCgunner
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BTW, that "Deer Sleigher is light and I roll it up and tie it my back pack when hunting walk in WMAs for hogs. It has more uses than just the motorcycle. It's easy to carry, weighs nothing, and is quite tough.
I've never done it, but I guess it really depends on terrain. Out of all the places I have hunted in the past there is probably only one or two that I would consider using a bike for. ATV would probably be my best choice given the terrain I have to work with.
I've done that with bikes but it was early season and whike the bikes allowed us to pitch a base camp and ride FAR away from it, the bikes were pretty noisy.
At the time we just didn't have the right gear: boots and gloves that were suited to riding are lousy for hunting. We lacked the right number of scabbards and had one rifle bunjed in a travel case. Carrying spare fuel wasn't a big deal as we got great mileage. We also kept Hona-made extra fuel tanks on two trail 110 bikes.
I guess what I'm saying is there are BETTER ways to transport back country but it can be done.
At the time we just didn't have the right gear: boots and gloves that were suited to riding are lousy for hunting. We lacked the right number of scabbards and had one rifle bunjed in a travel case. Carrying spare fuel wasn't a big deal as we got great mileage. We also kept Hona-made extra fuel tanks on two trail 110 bikes.
I guess what I'm saying is there are BETTER ways to transport back country but it can be done.
MCgunner
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My snake boots are favorite motorcycle boots (15" tops and waterproof) and hunting boots. 
I have a pair of off road MX boots, used 'em when I was flat tracking with a steel shoe fitted to the left one. They're old and falling apart, now, though. They ain't walking boots, that's for sure! They protected my ankle racing flat track, but that just transported the tweeking to ny left knee which kills me some days, now. Ah, but it was so fun!
I have a pair of off road MX boots, used 'em when I was flat tracking with a steel shoe fitted to the left one. They're old and falling apart, now, though. They ain't walking boots, that's for sure! They protected my ankle racing flat track, but that just transported the tweeking to ny left knee which kills me some days, now. Ah, but it was so fun! Rem.222
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X in SDak plains they have gumbo a type of clay. They say if you stick to gumbo when it is dry it will stick to you when its wet. Your shoes grow larger each step when its wet.
MCgunner
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"Gumbo clay" is common soil down here. When I was a kid, I rode the "Sweeny Enduro", an off road event in a nearby town. The gumbo in that river bottom (San Bernard river) is amazing and the racing can be quite comical. Often can't see the rider for the mud. But, that's racing. We're talking about just riding to go hunting. You can avoid a lot of bad spots on a bike if the track isn't forcing you to traverse it. There's also an infamous place near where I grew up we used to call the "slop bowl". I have a land inheritance there, 42 acres next to Brazoria NWR and the duck and goose hunting is great, but I can only get there by boat as there is no road that I know about into that place. When I was a kid, folks were always sticking 4x4 truck and jeeps there. place was legendary locally. See, there's some places you just don't wanna go without a friggin' air boat. LOL. Heck, down here, I've often thought of getting a hoovercraft. Looked ad mud motors at the boat show couple of weeks ago and drooled. I'm a duck hunter, you see, am afflicted when I see a camo boat and motor if nothing else.
Soil on my place is very sandy, almost beach sand, (was at one time) but finer. It turns soft when wet and can swallow things. Helps for a machine to be light and have a good drive tire. When I buried my Toyota down there, I had to get a D3 cat to pull me out. He really didn't wanna do it, was afraid he's stick THAT and it'd probably still be there. ROFL! But, we got in and out with the truck. Did spin the tracks some. It ain't nice down there when it's muddy, but it's all flat, no hills to negotiate. I really prefer that little 200 cause I know even if I was to find something that stopped it, I'd just get off and lift it out and ride on. There is no sticking that thing down there.
Often can't see the rider for the mud. But, that's racing. We're talking about just riding to go hunting. You can avoid a lot of bad spots on a bike if the track isn't forcing you to traverse it. There's also an infamous place near where I grew up we used to call the "slop bowl". I have a land inheritance there, 42 acres next to Brazoria NWR and the duck and goose hunting is great, but I can only get there by boat as there is no road that I know about into that place. When I was a kid, folks were always sticking 4x4 truck and jeeps there. place was legendary locally. See, there's some places you just don't wanna go without a friggin' air boat. LOL. Heck, down here, I've often thought of getting a hoovercraft. Looked ad mud motors at the boat show couple of weeks ago and drooled. I'm a duck hunter, you see, am afflicted when I see a camo boat and motor if nothing else. Soil on my place is very sandy, almost beach sand, (was at one time) but finer. It turns soft when wet and can swallow things. Helps for a machine to be light and have a good drive tire. When I buried my Toyota down there, I had to get a D3 cat to pull me out. He really didn't wanna do it, was afraid he's stick THAT and it'd probably still be there. ROFL! But, we got in and out with the truck. Did spin the tracks some. It ain't nice down there when it's muddy, but it's all flat, no hills to negotiate. I really prefer that little 200 cause I know even if I was to find something that stopped it, I'd just get off and lift it out and ride on.
There is no sticking that thing down there.
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Another thing has got me thinking about the talk of off roading through some nasty trails. How well does a scope hold zero in a scabbard beating around on a dirtbike through the woods?
matrem
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Short of hitting something or the bike landing on it, a good scope with a good mounting system will take more punishment than any rider can.
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I like the idea but my dog won't ride on my bike. For deer there are some drawbacks. Years ago I learned ice and motorcycles are not good together. Another thing is pulling something with a rope you have to be careful not to get sideways to whatever you are pulling if your rope is tied to the rack. Carrying a deer should not be a big problem if you can get it on, secured and balanced.
MCgunner
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Well, I'll admit, the two days a year it might get cold enough to have ice on the road, I drive.
Don't mean I can't put the 200 on my Mototote and drive down to my place and unload it. It don't freeze a lot in the coastal bend.
MCgunner
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Unless Harley Davidson bought the rights and started making it, I'm not sure I get this statement?
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easy on the Harley bashing there buddy!! Considering they flat out OWN NHRA I'd have to imagine they are pretty darn sporty! I likes me my Hoggers! ty very much!MCgunner
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By rules manipulatiion and that's the VRod motor if I'm not mistaken, designed by Porsche for HD to compete unsuccessfully in AMA roadracing as the VR1000. They gave up on AMA road racing, built a cruiser out of the design, and then Vance and Hines worked a deal with 'em to race it. Harley didn't have the in house engineering to design a DOHC 4 valve head, let alone the whole short stroke water cooled engine.
They had to pay a sports car company to do it for 'em. They did the same thing in AMA short track and TT by buying motors from Rotax (Austrian) for those events. The one sport they USED to own was mile and half mile flat track, but the rules that once kept the competition at bay have been relaxed to try to get some interest back in the sport, and money, since no one was going to race 'em at a disadvantage. Suzuki and a few other factories are giving some help to private teams racing the brand and they're beginning to give the factory XR750s some fits. This is a developing story, I think, last time I looked.But, hey, that's another subject and I don't care much for drag racing anyway. I like asphalt turns. dirt is cool. Supermoto combines both and is WAY cool.
Aside from the mile dirt tracks which they STILL do very well, HD is best at promoting and selling a "lifestyle" and building big inch 60 HP cruisers for that demand. You'll notice they never mention horsepower in ads, only torque. ROFL
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The only true atv. Makes a lot of noise, can't pack the meat out very well, not me anyway. Best used for scouting and parking and walking. Loads of fun tho. Got a Honda crf230f, and I love it.
MCgunner
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What are those electric ATVs, "bad boy" I believe or something like that? But, I don't need quiet. I'm just using mine to ride in and drag game out with on my Deer Sleigh'r or haul in corn on the rack/seat, 100 lbs at a time. I park well away, truck or bike or whatever, and WALK to my stand when I'm hunting. For me, I'm not going to shoot off the bike or ATV, noise isn't an issue.
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Dont under estimate the rokon 2wd bikes.I have had big red 3 wheelers ,coots, honda 4 wheelers and ranger track machines been around weasels, argo 8x and tucker snocats all in Alaska. i have not found any of them too be cheaper too opperate or easier to fix in the field than the the little rokon.I have dragged 2 ak moose and 1 6 ft black bear out thru muskeg with no problem, as a matter of fact when I dragged out the black bear 2 4wd drive fourwheelers couldnt make to the bear( floating muskeg and dense willows).I used a poly snowmachine sled with a towbar on it it tracked great and slides very easy . also you can put 2 rokons in a pickup very easy some of the new 4 wheelers barely fity in a small truckbed. The rokons weigh about 200 lbs if fording deep water walk them accross holding the handlbars they float ( on ther side) they have 15 inches of ground clearance I can ride mine over cement picknic table try that with a 4 wheeler.Rokons are not as fast as 4 wheelers on trails but when you leave the trail the fun begins they are incredible
In California much of the wilderness is closed to offroad vehicles.
I can remember not long ago when anyone with a dirtbike could go almost wherever they wanted. This made them useful transportation in places without roads.
Then the crowd that likes to spin tires, dig large ruts, do donuts, tear up the land when it is muddy leaving scars that dry and remain all year, and make the bike as loud as possible even well past reasonable performance gains brought a lot of attention.
ATVs bringing the skill required for offroading down to a level that allowed everyone to participate, including those with no balance and in any physical condition, also resulted in more involved in doing such things.
A lot more exhibition riders than those using the vehicles for actual transport offroad with limited impact on the land.
The result has been restrictions.
Now they have special offroad recreational places, and most of them are not where you would actually want to hunt.
No offroad vehicles in many of the good hunting places.
A lot of the land that would allow both is wasteland and not that productive at raising wildlife, with limited exceptions.
This makes offroad vehicles that are not street legal hard to use most places.
California also closed the option to make factory non-street legal dirtbikes street legal by installing lights and turn signals.
Large trucks doing donuts and tearing up the land for fun is also resulting in a reduction of offroad locations to take street legal vehicles.
It is a shame but so many people intentionally abuse the land offroading rather than just using the vehicle for transportation that they are being restricted to the point that actually traveling in the wilderness with a motorized vehicle is becoming difficult.
These restrictions make them difficult to explore or hunt with.
I can remember not long ago when anyone with a dirtbike could go almost wherever they wanted. This made them useful transportation in places without roads.
Then the crowd that likes to spin tires, dig large ruts, do donuts, tear up the land when it is muddy leaving scars that dry and remain all year, and make the bike as loud as possible even well past reasonable performance gains brought a lot of attention.
ATVs bringing the skill required for offroading down to a level that allowed everyone to participate, including those with no balance and in any physical condition, also resulted in more involved in doing such things.
A lot more exhibition riders than those using the vehicles for actual transport offroad with limited impact on the land.
The result has been restrictions.
Now they have special offroad recreational places, and most of them are not where you would actually want to hunt.
No offroad vehicles in many of the good hunting places.
A lot of the land that would allow both is wasteland and not that productive at raising wildlife, with limited exceptions.
This makes offroad vehicles that are not street legal hard to use most places.
California also closed the option to make factory non-street legal dirtbikes street legal by installing lights and turn signals.
Large trucks doing donuts and tearing up the land for fun is also resulting in a reduction of offroad locations to take street legal vehicles.
It is a shame but so many people intentionally abuse the land offroading rather than just using the vehicle for transportation that they are being restricted to the point that actually traveling in the wilderness with a motorized vehicle is becoming difficult.
These restrictions make them difficult to explore or hunt with.
MCgunner
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Yeah, that is one of the things that's pretty cool about 'em as wilderness trail bikes. The higher model, too, has hollow hubs that can be filled with either gasoline or drinking water and seals water tight. They don't go fast enough to worry about tire balance, so that's not an issue. They do have some good qualities if you need that. No, they ain't fast, but they're easy to ride and control. Pricey for what they are and, of course, not street legal, but if you have an area that's way off road and can use one legally there, they're nice. The old ones back in the late 60s, early 70s had Chrysler built two stroke engines that were pretty awful, but I was looking at 'em some years ago and they were using 4 stroke Honda motors, the kind you find on rototillers and such, implement motors which are quite reliable and cheap to replace if that's ever necessary.
And, I agree with Zoogster.
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Certaindeaf
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The wilderness, by definition, is closed to all vehicles everywhere.
hardluk1
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By difinition isn't california pretty is screwed up anyhow!!! ha
Where single hunter an vehical can be taken deeper off road or you need to travel in to hunt or where larger heavier game has to be hunmped out those Rokons can do what other atv's can't do. Go where you can only walk and deal with rougher terrain. Along with some of there accessories like the pull behind cart for gear and or the side car for where open terrain allows they make a very good way to take a camp in for weekend hunts. They can also be hauled behind a truck or suv on a rack across the width on the vehical.
They are not for everones style of hunting but looking at cost of many atv's there not priced out and compaired to side by sides, they are cheaper even with a few assessories. We used them 40 years ago in florida's swamps to get deer out where you could not get a buggy or 3 wheeler. The sheriff had them at his hunt camp. Darn things seemed to be unstopable except for them old chysler 2 strokes smoke'n and scream'n along.
Where single hunter an vehical can be taken deeper off road or you need to travel in to hunt or where larger heavier game has to be hunmped out those Rokons can do what other atv's can't do. Go where you can only walk and deal with rougher terrain. Along with some of there accessories like the pull behind cart for gear and or the side car for where open terrain allows they make a very good way to take a camp in for weekend hunts. They can also be hauled behind a truck or suv on a rack across the width on the vehical.
They are not for everones style of hunting but looking at cost of many atv's there not priced out and compaired to side by sides, they are cheaper even with a few assessories. We used them 40 years ago in florida's swamps to get deer out where you could not get a buggy or 3 wheeler. The sheriff had them at his hunt camp. Darn things seemed to be unstopable except for them old chysler 2 strokes smoke'n and scream'n along.
TwoEyedJack
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I feel your pain. Idaho shuts down lots of trails during hunting season. Here is my solution:
If you have a place to keep them, and are willing to learn a few new skills, nothing beats a horse.
MCgunner
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I have many problems with horses, none the least of which is maintenance and upkeep. Danged things eat even when you ain't usin' 'em and I'm not a vet so I can't do my own repairs. But, if you're goin' to hunt on gubment land, you gotta play by gubment rules.
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