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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGVAQOUi6ec
Life in prison for defending your life and house against intruders?
Life in prison for defending your life and house against intruders?
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Cougfan2
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It looks like that video is no longer available on Youtube. Could you give us a brief synopsis?
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It plays for me.
Anybody else having a problem?
Anybody else having a problem?
Bobarino
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its there. its the same one that has been posted ad nauseum on here over the last several years. its really not an update. its quite old.
Bobby
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The video plays for me too.
Check your Macromedia player if you are having problems.
It seems like Britishers are finally starting to resist Nazism.
Great video, NRA!
I am on the side of the British Libertarian Party. Hopefully, they can get some things changed over there.
Check your Macromedia player if you are having problems.
It seems like Britishers are finally starting to resist Nazism.
Great video, NRA!
I am on the side of the British Libertarian Party. Hopefully, they can get some things changed over there.
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Bobarino said:
It was new to me.
W.E.G.
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At that rate, they will all soon die because they FAILED to defend themselves.
Glockman17366
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I wonder what happened to the Magna Carta?
I guess the lefties in the UK forgot about people's rights...
I guess the lefties in the UK forgot about people's rights...
leadcounsel
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The problem is that guns have been banned for so long that even rational intelligent people WANT them banned, mainly because they are convinced that the influx of the illegal immigrants will increase violent crime with guns...
It's hard to convince them otherwise - that guns are a valuable tool FOR the native Englanders... oh well... I just take them shooting when they come visit here.
It's hard to convince them otherwise - that guns are a valuable tool FOR the native Englanders... oh well... I just take them shooting when they come visit here.
theotherwaldo
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England has moved on from the gun ban. They're now well into the second stage of the overall ban on self-defense. For example, anyone under the age of 18 is banned from buying:
" * Any knife, knife blade or razor blade
* Any axe
* Any other article which has a blade or is sharply pointed
* Anything which is made or adapted for use for causing injury to people"
" * Any knife, knife blade or razor blade
* Any axe
* Any other article which has a blade or is sharply pointed
* Anything which is made or adapted for use for causing injury to people"
mordechaianiliewicz
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I feel sorry for the Brits, but I believe Britain is already lost. If you are a citizen of Britain, I suggest you do whatever you can to get citizenship here in the U.S.
We aren't perfect, but we haven't had the vast majority of our society basically give up on issues of civil liberties, whereas Britain has.
We aren't perfect, but we haven't had the vast majority of our society basically give up on issues of civil liberties, whereas Britain has.
lance22
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The gun situation in the UK is not as simple as y'all make out. People in the US seem to think there is less freedom in this country and more in the US because of guns, i don't agree.
We have a gun ban, yet 4% of families have a guns.
http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs05/hosb0905.pdf
"There were 122,076 firearm certificates on issue on 31 March 2004 compared to 118,612 on 31 March 2003"
"569,948 shotgun certificates were on issue on 31 March 2004, one per cent more than the previous year. Certificates on issue covered 1,372,712 shotguns, up four per cent."
http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs/hosb1797.pdf
"141,900 firearm certificates were on issue at the end of 1996"
"The number of shot gun certificates on issue at the end of 1996 was 638,000, over two per cent fewer than at the end of 1995"
Firearm licenses were reduced by about 20,000 but this was similar to the reduction in shotguns which were not restricted by the 1997 law. So the trend was of less guns, but still there were about 700,000 shotgun and firearms licenses in England and Wales in this period.
However what people in the US do not seem to understand is that we have other aspects to the security of our state. The press in the UK is far more likely to get rid of politicians, to change policy and other such matters. The govt recently wanted to get rid of the 10% rate for tax, the people mainly through the press managed to get this changed.
Certainly the one thing that has happened that showed the weakness of the UK was going to war in Iraq in 2003, but then the US did this as well, the president managed to do all sorts of things against the constitution and managed to get away with half of these things.
The fact that people think we have given up of civil liberties is quite amazing. We have gay unions (rather than marriage, unlike Spain, Holland and another country) where we give equality to people who are different. The US had 89 years of slavery, 89 years of segregation with the current constitution, which suggests that just because you have more guns does not mean you have more freedoms.
It is kind of like marriage, the US has mroe prosperous marriages, wealthier, yet they are not better marriages than in other poorer countries, in fact the divorce rates are higher. Just because it appears to be better, does not mean it is so.
The fact is, the US and the UK are different, the US could not go for what we have in the UK because of the problems that the present guns would cause. But that does not mean that the way the US is going is the right way either.
We have a gun ban, yet 4% of families have a guns.
http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs05/hosb0905.pdf
"There were 122,076 firearm certificates on issue on 31 March 2004 compared to 118,612 on 31 March 2003"
"569,948 shotgun certificates were on issue on 31 March 2004, one per cent more than the previous year. Certificates on issue covered 1,372,712 shotguns, up four per cent."
http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs/hosb1797.pdf
"141,900 firearm certificates were on issue at the end of 1996"
"The number of shot gun certificates on issue at the end of 1996 was 638,000, over two per cent fewer than at the end of 1995"
Firearm licenses were reduced by about 20,000 but this was similar to the reduction in shotguns which were not restricted by the 1997 law. So the trend was of less guns, but still there were about 700,000 shotgun and firearms licenses in England and Wales in this period.
However what people in the US do not seem to understand is that we have other aspects to the security of our state. The press in the UK is far more likely to get rid of politicians, to change policy and other such matters. The govt recently wanted to get rid of the 10% rate for tax, the people mainly through the press managed to get this changed.
Certainly the one thing that has happened that showed the weakness of the UK was going to war in Iraq in 2003, but then the US did this as well, the president managed to do all sorts of things against the constitution and managed to get away with half of these things.
The fact that people think we have given up of civil liberties is quite amazing. We have gay unions (rather than marriage, unlike Spain, Holland and another country) where we give equality to people who are different. The US had 89 years of slavery, 89 years of segregation with the current constitution, which suggests that just because you have more guns does not mean you have more freedoms.
It is kind of like marriage, the US has mroe prosperous marriages, wealthier, yet they are not better marriages than in other poorer countries, in fact the divorce rates are higher. Just because it appears to be better, does not mean it is so.
The fact is, the US and the UK are different, the US could not go for what we have in the UK because of the problems that the present guns would cause. But that does not mean that the way the US is going is the right way either.
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Let's see:
No right to carry ANY object for the purpose of self defense.
No more right to trial by jury except for the most serious crimes.
No more double jeopardy -- now the govt can try you as many times as it wants. (Shouldn't that guarantee a 100% conviction rate?)
No more right to silence at trial (or to not incriminate yourself).
No more right to legal respresentation.
No more right to confront your accuser(s) in rape trials.
Yet despite all these "enlightened" policies, London is the most violent city in the developed world and you're more likely to be robbed or assaulted there than in Hell's Kitchen.
Yep, I'd say the Brits are just a beacon of freedom and safety for the world!
Holy moly! FOUR-PERCENT! Amazing!!
What is sad is that those folks continue to register their guns. Anyone want to take bets as to when shotguns and bolt action rifles are up for confiscation?
Since you cannot use them for self defense legally, might as well leave them off paper and shoot, shovel and shut-up since they will sentence you to jail for fighting back against an attacker or home invader.
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dogrunner
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Well OMDP, I'd darn well debate you on the issue of slavery.....or bondage....or genocide if you will, as practiced by the freedom loving British.............You all MAY have abolished the formal manner of slavery before we had to fight an ill conceived war over it, but you all did NOT serve as any bastion of universal freedom either. Not by a long, long shot!
My maternal grandparents were of Irish origin..........yeah, those Irish, the ones that lived there originally............My Greatgrandfather could not even read or write and was a "cottier" (sort of a lowly paid economic slave )at an English estate in the land of his birth. Thankfully he and the rest of that "great rabble" saw fit to emigrate to the United States after millions of his countrymen were literally starved to death and left to rot on the roadside by the policies and great freedoms accorded them by the British Empire............a fact that remains in our collective memory.
Freedom?.........The spark was there at one time, unfortunately the reality of it all was that class issues and later the utterly stupid evolution of runaway socialism proved the path you folks took was the WRONG one.
Thank God I was born an American.........I intend to stay one even tho I could easily apply for Irish citizenship and therefore EU "benefits" by virtue of the Grandparents............I for one reject your form of "social growth" and prefer to fight for my rights on free ground!
I, at the least demand the right to 'keep and bear' that means!
My maternal grandparents were of Irish origin..........yeah, those Irish, the ones that lived there originally............My Greatgrandfather could not even read or write and was a "cottier" (sort of a lowly paid economic slave )at an English estate in the land of his birth. Thankfully he and the rest of that "great rabble" saw fit to emigrate to the United States after millions of his countrymen were literally starved to death and left to rot on the roadside by the policies and great freedoms accorded them by the British Empire............a fact that remains in our collective memory.
Freedom?.........The spark was there at one time, unfortunately the reality of it all was that class issues and later the utterly stupid evolution of runaway socialism proved the path you folks took was the WRONG one.
Thank God I was born an American.........I intend to stay one even tho I could easily apply for Irish citizenship and therefore EU "benefits" by virtue of the Grandparents............I for one reject your form of "social growth" and prefer to fight for my rights on free ground!
I, at the least demand the right to 'keep and bear' that means!
lance22
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Not to rag on this, but it's humorous to hear other countries condemn the United States for slavery when they have their own history in it. In the case of England, it was legal for long centuries as inherited from Rome, and while made illegal during the fourteenth century it was still a traded commodity well into the 18th century.
I recall a few years ago (former) Presidente Vincent Fox remarked that the United States has no business speaking about human rights when it has a long sordid history of slavery. He conveniently forgot that in Mexico slavery was legal until 1829. BTW, in Mexico how are their indigenous peoples being treated today? They are all stocked up on institutionalized racism but again it's the global fantasy that the USA alone has racism.
As far as segregation goes, that rings hollow. Dogrunner already pointed to Ireland - what do you suppose the Irish think about English segregation? And that situation is ongoing, not 100 years ago. And, France always used to ridicule the USA over the % of blacks in US prisons, but now the joke is on them since the same % of their prisons are filled with people of non-European (non-white) descent. So who's prejudiced?
But, I take no offence from your words. I realize we overgeneralize other nations regarding 'Bill of Rights' liberties, but we also get our share in return as other nations entertain the fantasy that the USA alone had slaves, segregation, and perceived racial inequalities.
damien
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Slavery in "Great" Britain has such a long and detailed history, it has its own Wikipedia entry:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Britain_and_Ireland
"Southwark Bishop Thomas Butler, at the Anglican Church's General Synod in 2006 stated "The profits from the slave trade were part of the bedrock of our country's industrial development". While the profits of the slave trade and of West Indian plantations amounted to less than 5% of the British economy at the time of the Industrial Revolution, slave labour did produce the major consumer goods that were the basis of world trade during the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries: coffee, cotton, rum, sugar, and tobacco"
You owe reparations, bub! Good thing the Pound Sterling is riding high!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Britain_and_Ireland
"Southwark Bishop Thomas Butler, at the Anglican Church's General Synod in 2006 stated "The profits from the slave trade were part of the bedrock of our country's industrial development". While the profits of the slave trade and of West Indian plantations amounted to less than 5% of the British economy at the time of the Industrial Revolution, slave labour did produce the major consumer goods that were the basis of world trade during the eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries: coffee, cotton, rum, sugar, and tobacco"
You owe reparations, bub! Good thing the Pound Sterling is riding high!
Tommygunn
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OMDP said:
4% of your families owning guns doesn't equal freedom, IMHO.
OMDP said:
Well, we don't "need" firearms certificates, or shotgun certificates. As prior poster indicate, we can and do use firearms for self defense.
I am happy for you, knowing you enjoy living in a country that is increasingly trampling your rights.
I will leave you with a favorite little bromide of mine;
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." ~~ Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe.
Bobarino
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well, sorta. you see, we still have (whats left of) our freedoms, partially because we have guns and we have guns because we still have our freedoms. there is a correlation between the two. without one, you lose the other. as the people of the UK are finding out the hard way.
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