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Enhanced Peripheral Vision ©

In 1981 I was taught how to use my peripheral vision while shooting shotguns, rifles and pistols. The skill was called instinct shooting by Bobby Lamar “Lucky” McDaniel, who was known to have developed the technique in what the U S Army later was to name Quick Kill after adopting the technique for it’s rifle program in the late 1950’s.

Instead of using direct vision sighting and utilizing the sights on a rifle or pistol, we were taught to use a narrow range of our naturally occurring peripheral vision to “see” the end of the barrel/front sight while staying threat focused with our direct vision at all times.

These peripheral reference points from the end of the barrel/front sight to the intended target for the pistols, rifles and shotguns make the techniques with both repeatable and reliable. Once the reference from the weapon to the target is established peripherally, one fires and hits the intended target.

I became so familiar with using peripheral vision that it became a part of my subconscious and as natural to use as anything that can be done without conscious effort. Things like driving a car and riding a bike are easier the more we perform the activity. This use of the peripheral vision to verify the relationship between the weapon and the intended strike point became no less automatic over the years of using it with firearms of all kinds.

Late in the year of 1991, I was getting bored with shooting a handgun using Quick Kill. It had been 10 years since being taught to use my natural abilities. It did not require any effort to make hits, required little to no practice on a regular basis, and I needed something to stimulate my mind further where handguns was concerned.

I had taught a police officer earlier that year how to use two kali/escrima sticks simultaneously in combat. Over 10 weeks he had become fairly ambidextrous and had developed enough skill in his off hand/arm to work the stick as well as his strong hand/arm. He was able to use a single stick in either hand proficiently and could move the stick from one hand to the other without loss of any dexterity, coordination or speed.

When I realized what the officer was capable of doing, it dawned on me that I had also walked that path a decade before when I had been trained in double stick work but I had not realized just how much improvement in use of the off hand had come from the double stick training then or over the subsequent years.

I determined I would work on developing my shooting skills using two guns simultaneously, one in each hand at combat distances based on what I had observed with the police officer. This would be interesting to say the least. Could I develop the use of the off hand with a handgun to a level of proficiency like the sticks had shown us? This was something to work on that would take the boredom with handguns I had been experiencing away and it just seemed like it would be a lot of fun trying even if the results were poor. It would challenge my mind to work again using handguns.

I went to the range and shot with a gun in each hand at one target. I used two model 36 Smith and Wesson snub-nosed revolvers initially. In short order, I could shoot both at the same time onto a threat 4-6 feet out and keep the shots centered on the target. I only had one threat to look at so I could stay threat focused. Using the technique Lucky McDaniel had shown us worked with two guns pretty good. I moved the target out to about 10 feet with the same stellar results, then 12 feet and still the hits were there every time. I was using the narrow range of peripheral vision that Lucky’s threat/target focused method used, the guns well below line of sight and seen in that comfortable narrow range of my peripheral vision.

It was time to try this on two targets with the two guns at the same time. I put up a second “threat” target and both were moved back in to the 4-6 foot range. Initially I place the stands so they touched one another so the threats were less than four feet center of chest to center of chest. Initially I tried to just get the guns up and check their positions individually on the threats, then fire simultaneously. That worked pretty good, as would be expected, by first verifying individually that the guns were where they needed to be before firing.

Though I had good results that way, it was not going to be something I could use in battle on the streets if I had to. The time to physically verify the two guns individually first would get you killed. Still this was promising so I determined I needed to keep working at it.

I found myself at the range again the next week setting up two more threat targets. I was using full size silhouette/body targets at the same distance of about 4-5 feet away and about four feet apart from the centers of the chests. I worked hard that day on developing this skill. I tried looking at one threat and hitting both, that didn’t give me reliable center hits on the threat I wasn’t looking at very often. I tried looking at the left one and hitting both, then the right one and hitting both, alternating between them with varied results that were better but not what they needed to be.

Then I tried to focus/look at neither of the two threats but look between them with direct vision. That seemed very promising in multiple runs. The hits were very good, but the range was short and the threats close together. I was onto something here. If I didn’t look at either of the threats directly, I got better hits on both at the same time. I was definitely onto something but I didn’t know what, it was too new to understand at the time. I was using “multiple threat focus” © and still using the peripheral vision of Quick Kill to “see” the guns, though the narrow peripheral vision range of the one threat/one gun Quick Kill technique had to be expanded.

I moved the threats farther apart by a few feet at the same distance and tried this again. Looking at neither of the threats directly, nor the guns, I worked it slowly and in a few runs found the hits were centered on each simultaneously again. My mind was figuring out that the narrow range of peripheral vision used in Quick Kill could be expanded, and the gun/s did not have to be directly below my eyes or line of sight to use the peripheral vision to “see” the guns at the same time. This was getting really interesting to say the least.

I moved the threats out to 10 feet and moved them about 10 feet apart. Reliable center hits fell apart again. More work would be necessary, but I was on the right road to getting solid reliable hits shooting two threats at the same time with one gun in each hand. I went home for the day to think about what I was doing here.

It was not too long before I was back at the range. I could not stop thinking about what I was onto here and I was anxious to work this out to a reliable system of hits on two threats at the same time from street combat distances where the threats were a good distance apart from one another.

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Enhanced Peripheral Vision © Part 2

I worked some drills experimenting between direct vision and peripheral vision use, alternating between the two as well as how I was bringing the guns onto the threats. By the time I had run a few boxes of ammo through the guns, I had hit upon how to make this work reliably enough for the street and how the focus on the threats and guns had to be used. I had learned that I could “enhance” the peripheral vision used with Quick Kill and didn’t have to even use direct focus on the threats any longer.

The enhanced peripheral vision © I had developed personally for me over a few weeks with this experimentation of two gun shooting on multiple threats only showed me that my mind was the limiting factor as always. If I didn’t use direct focus on either threat, and enhanced and expanded the narrow range of peripheral vision used with Quick Kill, the hits were very reliable and centered. I had also discovered the physical technique that worked best in getting the guns on the threats that put it all together in that time frame.

I’ve since developed an Enhanced Peripheral Vision © exercise that can get people to do the same thing with two guns on multiple threats in less than an hour. It can be done from the seated, standing, in the light of day, and more importantly in very lowlight. One really needs Quick Kills narrow range of use of the peripheral vision and is an imperative base or foundation. The training in peripheral vision use that Quick Kill brings to people will allow the mind to expand further than thought possible. Once your mind understands exactly what is necessary and understands it doesn’t need to wait for the verification of the sights or gun on threat, you can use your natural abilities even further with the enhanced peripheral vision we are all capable of.

Once your mind can let go of the constraints and use of any direct vision, and understands it’s own powers that allows your body to just perform things it always could but never was allowed to explore through it’s own self limitations and doubt, it truly becomes Zen like and as natural as anything you have ever experienced before.

With the training in enhanced peripheral vision©, you can “see” on a plane that encompasses all that is above you, below you and to either side of you without looking at anything directly. That new found ability, coupled with the very specific physical technique that gets the guns on threats reliably which I came to in the development of this skill really is the mind letting go of it’s constraints and need for any verification of the position of the guns or where your body is in the overall picture/landscape of a scenario.

I practice this enhanced peripheral vision © skill with one gun almost every night before I go to bed in the lowlight produced by a nightlight in the room. The threat might be the calving rope 10 feet high up on the wall, or it might be the night-light itself. With the enhanced peripheral vision ©working [remembering that you can “see” on a plane that encompasses all that is above you, below you and to either side of you without looking at anything directly], I can face the front door and put the gun on the calving rope or a picture on the wall to my right or left without ever turning my head or body.

Two guns can be used to put one on something off to my extreme right on the wall, and something to my left with the other at the same time. Once the guns are locked on [using the specific physical skill to get them locked on that I developed and is reliable and an easily transferable skill to others], I hold them in place, and check their positions on the intended “threats” in lowlight and they are always dead on and would hit.

With the enhanced peripheral vision © exercises, and while just walking along, I can see what I’m going to need to walk over before I trip on it without looking down, or where the edge of the rug starts. I can see the smoke detectors on the vaulted ceiling high above me. In a nutshell, without looking at anything specifically in the room, I can see everything with this training. More importantly, I can use a gun in my left or right hand, or both simultaneously to make hits on anything in my enhanced peripheral vision © without ever turning my head.

The subject of "Enhanced Peripheral Vision" ©will become a registered copyright to myself with Washington DC here shortly. Students will be introduced to this after they are well versed in the narrow range of peripheral vision that Quick Kill training brings them.

The mind is the limiting factor Nowhere is this seen more than in this skillset of enhanced peripheral vision © use. The human mind and body truly are amazing.

Brownie
 
I'm sure most of you are familiar with the fact that JMusic got Brownie to come to ET in the Spring to teach Integrated Threat Focused Shooting. I became convinced of it's effectiveness by being shown, then taught, then practicing it. A lot of amazing stuff that, in my opinion, are real life saving skills.

One of the last things Brownie showed us was this technique allowing 2 targets to be engaged simultaniously. It was quite impressive to see him shoot COM on 2 targets seperated by ~6ft. center to center at a distance of ~10 feet from the line the targets stood on with a pair of G17s. But by then I'd come to expect the surprising from Brownie and his shooting and I knew he shot literally thousands of rounds per year practicing and honing his skills.

I thought the true indication of the success of his training and our ability to shoot using what he'd taught us would be if a student could come something close to the same performance. I decided that since I was well practiced in making a fool out of myself :rolleyes: and we'd all been pretty close that weekend I had nothing to loose in trying it.

Brownie looked at me with a little curiosity when I walked up to him. He seemed slightly suprised when I asked for the guns. I told him that it's one thing to see him do it after 10,000 rounds of practice, it's another to see if a student can come close. He and one of the other students handed their G17s to me and Brownie reminded me to not look directly at either target but to use my peripheral vision. I've practiced not looking "at" things a lot over the years. I simply stood between the targets and let my mind empty and my field of view expand and flatten. I then simply followed what Brownie had been telling us to do all day and raised both guns and shot both targets COM. I can't tell you what anyone's reaction was, but I could vaguely see I'd hit the centers of both targets. I repeated the action and fired multiple times into the center of both targets and then shifted from the 2 side by side to include a 3rd target to my right. I hit it and the original left-most COM multiple times. I can't tell you if I returned to the 2 original targets or alternated between the three, but I did fire on all 3 targets keeping my left anchored on the orginal left-most target. I did this until one of the Glocks slidelocked. I looked at all 3 targets and they all had COM hits in areas no bigger than a spread hand. I let my arms drop and held both guns out to the side because I didn't trust myself to turn with them in my hands I was so stunned. It was a very odd experience.

Brownie had asked me to keep quiet about the technique, but now that he's revealed it I thought you should hear about it from someone that was there.

It can be done. I saw him do it. I had a feeling I understood it. I did it. I'm certain he can teach it to others.
 
HSO;

You should have seen the faces of the others when you just stepped up and did this as naturally as you had done it with years of training, with the knowledge imparted in the class in only a few days. The closest I can come to explaining the faces on those who stood in amazement at your own performance is :eek:

You've learned how to use your natural abilities very well. I only opened a door and you stepped through it with vigor:D You own it now, and it's there if you ever need it. Keep in mind this training with two guns only enhances your abilities with one gun even more.

I've got a student coming in from Wash, DC tonight for the weekend. He'll be getting the lowlight and no light training in the desert starting tomorrow night. Days will be spent on sticks, defensive knife skills and rifle QK with the bbguns here on my property. He's staying at the house as my guest.

He'll also be getting the two gun skills and learning the enhanced peripheral vision. I think I'll have him be the first to use it in ambient/lowlight as well when we are out in the desert.

Should be an interesting weekend. We call him "Wild Rob Hickock". It's his second trip out here for one on one and he was in the Easton, Pa. class 7677 and I held just before the time I spent with you folks in Tenn. His handle is well deserved, he's a natural at using his natural abilities and picks these skills up almost immediately, hence his moniker that I gave him.

Edited to add:
It might be time to line up dates and students for the return visit in the fall. I'm sure the SO boys will be there again and Sastre and a few others like JMusic and his brother-in-law will make their appreance as well. I expect a lot more students will attend as many will bring in people they know after seeing the course, 7677 will also be in attendance to co-instruct with the techniques he brings to the plate and we need enough lead time to make sure he can be there this time. Also, there's a good chance I'll be in Europe this fall for a week, no dates as of yet, but to avoid scheduling conflicts, try to give me some possible dates when you can for your location.

Oh yes, there will be discounts for the students who were there in the first class as well. In the meantime, shoot straight, keep your powder dry and watch your back.

Brownie
 
Brownie,

I've read your posts with great interest over the last couple of years. I seem to recall your location as somewhere back east, and remember wishing you were closer so I might inquire about training.

I see you are now located much closer to me, so I make the inquiry: Can you tell me how I would go about getting some training from you?

Thank you for your time and your informative posts.

Peter
 
Peter,
I'm 40 miles east of your location right now. Shoot me a pm, and I'll give you a number to call me so we discuss the training and what you are looking for.

I appreciate your interest and comments sir.

Brownie
 
Brownie, on a point of law: you cannot copyright work that you're publishing on a public forum like this, unless you have first copyrighted it by sending a copy to the Library of Congress and paying their $30 registration fee. Your copyright symbols here are meaningless unless this has been done. Also, I doubt whether a phrase such as "enhanced peripheral vision" can be copyrighted as a name - it could be applied to opticians, opthalmologists, etc., and as such isn't a proprietary term to your training. It would have to be trade-marked, which is a different process altogether.

Just a heads-up.
 
Preacherman,
Once you send the fee to the Library of Congress, it becomes "registered copyright". It's copyright the minute it is published publicy. I've researched the copyright laws extensively. You can't register the copyrighted material until it has been published in the public domain. Your information is not correct when you suggest that

"you cannot copyright work that you're publishing on a public forum like this, unless you have first copyrighted it by sending a copy to the Library of Congress and paying their $30 registration fee."

In fact, you only have 30 days from the original publication date to register the copyright by law or it can not be registered. Registration is AFTER publication.

The copyright symbol is valid and was as soon as it was put up on the forums, as has been established by the copyright office.

We have had these converstaions before with whether it is copyrightable with others both on the net and with the attys: who are on retainer. Unless you would like to argue the point with the copyright attys, it's a moot point you make and not worth getting into here.

I thank you for taking the time to post your opinions on copyright law though. The copyright symbol behind the name of that copyright is valid. I won't get into a discussion of copyright law with you further, the attys handle all of that for me as they have in the past.

edited to add: The 30.00 fee went in the day after in plenty of time to meet the 30 day requirement. I'll be receiving a certificate of copyright sometime in the next 4 months. The postmark on the copy of the supporting dociment is the date established for registered copyright by law unless after their research it is found it was preceded by another.

Brownie
 
Fair enough, Brownie, but your attorneys differ in their interpretation from mine . . . I'm a published author too, so I have to deal with copyright issues routinely.

As for the phrase you're using, again, that can't be copyrighted as such. It can be trade-marked, but that's a whole different ball game.
 
Preacherman,
As an author, you know that the "title" of the original work and its contents are copyrightable.

The title of the original work here is "Enhanced Peripheral Vision" © We'll know in about 4 months if it will be registered with the Library of Congress or not. That will depend on their exhaustive research to determine if they can find such a title, derivitive or it's contents having been previously published.

My guess? I'll own it

Brownie
 
Enhanced Perpheral Vision is now both copyrighted © and trademarked TM after a research with the US Trademark Public Search Facility - Madison East, 1st Floor; 600 Dulany St.; Alexandria, VA 22313 determined it was not previously taken.

Brownie
 
I played around with this a few years ago. Didn't have two identical guns though and that did a good job of "un-enhancing" me. Couldn't get a handle on it and didn't pursue it.

Say for instance a small 9mm in one hand and a full size 45acp in the other. Or an auto and a revolver. Not many will carry a matched pair of full sized guns but plenty use a main gun along with a smaller backup. How does that work out for you now that you've aquired the skill?

I never felt a two gun technique would be useful for followup shots but then I didn't have the 30 years of experience I do with a single gun. Do you just use this technique for the opening round then focus on the bigger threat remaining?
 
Good question Ryder,

Say for instance a small 9mm in one hand and a full size 45acp in the other.

I've used g17, g26, 640-1 357, model 65 4 inch 357's in various hands to perform this skill.

Recently, a student hit 87% with a g17 and g26 in low light at 10 feet with the threats 10 feet apart in the desert the first time he tried this. We had to stay at the distance for if we moved back any further, you could not see the steel plates at all. At 10 feet they were barely visible.

I went 11 for 11 simultaneous shots on the plates at the same distance in the low/almost no light with the 26 in the left hand and the 17 in the right.

Do you just use this technique for the opening round then focus on the bigger threat remaining?

This training only gets one to understand how to use their peripheral vision to better effect, it doesn't necessarily have to involve two guns on the street. You can hit without looking at the threat in the peripheral easily once the key to the skill is mastered. The two guns at once just makes you use the skill taught, the key to the success [ how I came to develop it ] is what the students are getting in the classes.

It's very easy once the key to this is understood. The student made the 87% the first time he tried this knowing the key in low light.

Brownie
 
Enhanced Peripheral Vision © style shooting seems to be another fun way to shoot handguns. Kinda like 'quickdraw'.
The two gun, two target shooting exercise is probably fun, too.

But the serious business of self defense training and shooting in a self defense scenario must take into account the overwhelming reality of the 'fight or flight' reaction, aka Sympathetic Nervous System (SNS) overload.

In a nutshell, peripheral vision does not work properly in a real shootout!

In SNS overload we all lose our fine motor skills, we all crouch and maybe freeze, we all focus on the threat and we all suppress our peripheral vision resulting in an uncontrollable 'tunnel vision'.

Even the best trained people are subject to SNS overload. Training can help to cope, but it cannot eliminate one's innate reactions.

As peripheral vision is suppressed by fright, so suffers its superior low light/darkness vision and motion awareness....and vision shifts to the 'tunnel'. This is a predictable problem encountered in 'real' low light and darkness fighting.
This 'problem' will 'not' surface when practicing night fighting unless fright intervenes.
Many trainers remain clueless on this topic. Probably because they have no experience in 'real' combat darkness situations.

So, a shooter under 'fight or flight' is hardly able to use peripheral vision because, under life and death pressures, vision periphery is dramatically suppressed, sometimes shut down, and the threat receives total concentration; tunnel vision.

The more we concentrate our vision on the threat, the more we suppress our peripheral vision and vice versa. You can not simultaneously pay attention to your periphery and your focused object of attention.
Although parallel, both visions alternate, it's one or the other, just like trying to listen to two different conversations at the same time. It ain't gonna happen and there are simple tests that prove that.

Like martial arts, there are many styles of handgun training from basic to complex....from useful to useless.

I say, everyone should handgun-train the way we 'will' react when fighting for life.

Basic 'reactive' training aside, we should know that SNS overload diminishes most training techniques by limiting the body's response ability to; using gross motor skills, by forcing threat focus and therefore tunnel vision and by instinctive reactions to fright. The body's reaction to training stress is not the same as the body's reaction to getting shot at in a life or death situation.

Learn situational awareness and the early draw. Train: if possible to move to cover, to point shoot, to face/square the threat, to crouch, to shoot one-handed and two-handed with close and extended arm/arms because – like it or not - that's the way one will react to sudden, frightening, CQ shootouts.
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In SNS overload we all lose our fine motor skills, we all crouch and maybe freeze, we all focus on the threat and we all suppress our peripheral vision resulting in an uncontrollable 'tunnel vision'.

That might be the natural reaction of most, but then training compensates for that. It's what our elite military train to overcome and do when entering Irqi homes etc, and is certainly well within the ability of everyone to overcome with training.

Even the best trained people are subject to SNS overload. Training can help to cope, but it cannot eliminate one's innate reactions.

Wrong again, the trained are quite capable of visual multitasking from one threat to the other before the gun moves onto a threat. Shooting one and already looking for the next before the gun moves is well within the scope of training, and the troops are proving that daily in war zones.

As peripheral vision is suppressed by fright, so suffers its superior low light/darkness vision and motion awareness.

Wrong again,

In low light one uses their peripheral to see movement on the battle field or streets. Peripheral vision is well established medically to be superior to direct vision in low light and seeing objects moving. It's a skill learned in the military for night ops for generations.

You can not simultaneously pay attention to your periphery and your focused object of attention.

Then again, you don't understand the training or how it works, which would lead you to these conclusions. If you had read the material, you would have seen that you don't use direct vision at all in this exercise.

The training uses gross motor skills exclusively, something you yourself admit works under stress. As I have not released the "how" to the training, you would not know that however.

to point shoot, to face/square the threat, to crouch, to shoot one-handed and two-handed with close and extended arm/arms because – like it or not - that's the way one will react to sudden, frightening, CQ shootouts.

Lets see, point shoot? covered. face the threat? perhaps but unnecessary. Shoot one handed? covered with with a gun in both hands. two handed? covered. arms close and extended? covered.

Seems the technique covers about all of your criteria you've set forth to me, not that it particularly has to though.:D

Brownie
 
I stand by everything that I posted, point by point. It's all supported by science....and is now being taught by combat veterans and police shootout survivors.

If you teach any ideas contrary to my posted points, you are shortchanging your customers.

SNS dominates life and death situations. Among other physical effects, it suppresses peripheral vision which results in 'tunnel' vision.

It is impossible to "multitask" vision. It is either peripheral (where system) or central (what system). In normal situations they can alternate, but under SNS overload and threat focusing the central system dominates and automatically suppress the peripheral system. That's the way the brain and eyes operate. They're hard wired that way.
Although parallel, both visions alternate. It's one or the other. Just like trying to listen to two different conversations at the same time ain't gonna happen. There are simple tests that prove that.

Reread or research my point about peripheral vision being suppressed by fright and how both its superior low light/darkness vision and motion awareness suffers from tunnel vision. Hint: rods, cones and threat focusing.

I agree that trained soldiers can 'cope' with SNS overload...but they cannot eliminate it. They will still react innately as the danger increases.

In SNS overload they'll lose their fine motor skills, they will definitely crouch and maybe freeze, they will focus on the threat which will suppress their peripheral vision resulting in uncontrollable 'tunnel vision'.

Teach your customers the drastic differences between training stress/performance and combat SNS overload reaction. Self defense shooting is not a game.

I support teaching handgun self defense 'reactive' style:
Students should learn situational awareness and the early draw. Train: if possible to move to cover, to point shoot, to face/square the threat, to crouch, to shoot one-handed and two-handed with close and extended arm/arms because – like it or not - that's the way one will react to sudden, frightening, CQ shootouts.

All the rest is either superfluous or a combative style.

I also suggest that you save both of my posts as cliff notes to enhance teaching your customers. :)
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I'm not teaching multitasking vision skills with this adjunct drill, reread the thread.

What you fail to understand is that this is not a replacement for anything, but an adjunct to core skills.

If you are capable of coping with something you are capable of performing something other than that which would be a natural reaction. Easy enough to understand I'm sure. It's all in the training.

In SNS overload they'll lose their fine motor skills, they will definitely crouch and maybe freeze, they will focus on the threat which will suppress their peripheral vision resulting in uncontrollable 'tunnel vision'.

Entry teams make the above a falacy everyday both in LE and Mil environs, which again proves that one can do something other than react as you describe. It's in the training.

I know full well your support of reactive handgun SD from your previous posts. Thats all well and viable training. Adjunct skills are also availbale to those who want to go further than that from many trainers. Many instructors teach adjunct skills and not just core skills.

Students should learn situational awareness and the early draw

Train: if possible to move to cover, to point shoot, to face/square the threat, to crouch, to shoot one-handed and two-handed with close and extended arm/arms because like it or not - that's the way one will react to sudden, frightening, CQ shootouts.

If the first is adhered to, the second is a non issue is it not?:D

The EPV drill is an adjunct skill, not a replacement for core skills. Adjunct skills training is ongoing daily by trainers everwhere and within many circles including the military. In fact peripheral vision skills in conjunction with multi-tasking many skills together is now being brought to the troops by the military using of all things video games.

It's not something new nor revelatious in nature where this subject is concerned. You continue to train in your core skills. Your decision to not train in adjunct skills is fine, others seek many trainers from around the country to learn other than core skills. Again, the core skills are not replaced in training, but neither does that mean once the core skills are owned that we should stop training in adjunct skills.

Both trainers and students make it so, or only core skills would be offered.

Brownie
 
In a situation involving mixed threat and non-threat personel, can the peripheral vision detect which person is a threat to be dealt with, and which is to be avoided? Do you need to use direct, focused vision to determine hostiles, and then shift to a peripheral tracking mode?
 
Good question "One of Many";

The EPV drill gets one to learn how to use the peripheral vision skills they have already but in an enhanced way.

Non ID'd threats need to be ID, of course, it would be negligent not to before opening up on them indiscriminately.

I'll give you a scenario where the skill might be useful, though everyone could come up with their own.

You are approached by 3 thugs/bangers on the street. They threaten your life [ lets say they meet the criteria for SD somewhow ], you are armed. While one or two keep your attention, you see one moving slowly to your oblique and trying to get in behind you [ a classic tactic on their part ]. Think disparity of force here.

You tell the one moving to get around behind you to stand still, but he keeps moving further out in your peripheral vision. You draw on the two and reiterate to the third mover to stand still. He refuses and keeps moving to get in behind you.

The other two are now telling you you can't get all of them before they are on you. You can see the mover, he has not gone beyond about 65 degrees, nor should you allow him to or you'll lose track of him after that then or shortly thereafter.

You use the EPV skill and shoot him without moving your body, head or eyes off the two you are looking at, bringing the gun right back to the other two and regaining a two hand hold on the weapon.

In that scenario, you have an ID'd threat/s, you are in a disparity of force situation and they have made their intentions known to take you out somehow. If he gets behind you, he could pull a knife or gun himself out of your vision.

They made a mistake, you were trained to use the EPV and owned the keys to allow you to take the shot/s with a COM hit. As with all skills, they come into play based on circumstances you find yourself in. The more skills you own, the more you can use to keep your butt safe on the streets.

Brownie
 
In SNS overload they'll lose their fine motor skills, they will definitely crouch and maybe freeze, they will focus on the threat which will suppress their peripheral vision resulting in uncontrollable 'tunnel vision'.

Entry teams make the above a falacy everyday both in LE and Mil environs, which again proves that one can do something other than react as you describe. It's in the training.
Agreed, but I was specifically addressing SNS overload....overload that anyone can experience, even highly trained operators.

Stress inoculation training for operators is SOP. The purpose is to learn to cope with and control SNS overload. It works better on the inoculated than on the untrained, but it does not completely immunize operators from SNS overload and its accompaning suppressed peripheral vision resulting in 'tunnel' vision.

What also helps SWAT, spec ops, entry teams, et al...is that the level of stress is proportional to the operators' control of the situation. More control equals less stress.

Sympathetic Nervous System overload occurs when control of a situation degrades. Such as an ambush, chaos, confusion, disorder, officer/operator down, a firefight, shootout, woundings, death, etc.
Training helps to cope with and control the effects of SNS overload, but that training offers only marginally better results than those of the untrained.

When the bullets are in the air the surprised, ambushed fighter's brain-eyes 'will' threat focus, suppress their peripheral vision resulting in uncontrollable 'tunnel vision'.
....and that's the way it is.

Cliff note # 3 :)
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Thank you for your opinions on the subject. Duly noted whether I use the cliff notes or not.

Training helps to cope with and control the effects of SNS overload, but that training offers only marginally better results than those of the untrained.

Marginally better would not warrant the training time put into it by those who spend the money. The results of the training is well beyond marginal historically and the increase is proportionate to the training provided.

No need to continue in this vane, the students speak to the training, want the training and see value in the training. Hence, they get the training.

Brownie
 
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I have been experimenting with this concept. I have to admitt that at first I saw limitted use for this, a parlor trick like shooting quarters out of the air. How many people carry two weapons one strong side one weak? How many times in your life time have you had the need to use this if you in fact could do it?

These are the questions that were going through my mind as I started my experiment. First off 170 degree's is optimistic for me. I am really closer to about 140. Using two J Frame 3 inch revolvers I started5 ft away targets 8 ft apart. BOOM Your dead no doubt. Ok lets try a new trick drawing from the holsters same result. 3 steps back double taps same results. Damn this is easy anyone who played cowboys when he was a kid used this technique. To make a long story short I quite at 15 yards away from the targets with a 15 ft spread. I felt that was more than enough for practical application. Results are all the same all com hits with just some simple techniques. One thing I did stumble onto with one hand was com hits from the hip. It has to be done with the same principles in mind but it is doable. Even across your body is doable.

I have not used this enough yet to be where I know you can get. I did though answer my doubts about practical application. You can litteraly throw shots at a target without looking at it. What an edge. More to come. I need to edit this slightly and explain the weapons. I used two J frame Smiths. Not matching pairs though, not even the same caliber. In fact one was alloy and one was stainless. The reason I used two revolvers was simply for the sameness of operation. I do not feel you have to have matching weapons to be proficient at this.
Jim
 
I can see a scenario where it has special use: some of us actually have better visual acuity in the near-side (as in half or so closest to center) peripheral vision than in "boresight", kind of a "natural EPV", and this strikes me as a really good way to put this capability to use. Now if only I could find a range willing to rent me two .45s at once and let me try it out...

Very interesting, especially for those who favor dual-shoulder-holsters.
 
Skyguy I agree with what you are trying to say to a point. To the general public not involved in todays violence it certainly applies, but when you start to relate this to entry teams that sir is where you and I disagree. I know of no one who has lost his periphrial vision or gotten tunnel vision from an operation. This was not a result of training it is a result of experience. Their startle response is MUCH higher than the normal individual. Hell most of the time they have a smile on their face on the way there and are laughing on the way back. Adrenalin sir is what causes your system to fail you. These guys have a high tolerance for it. If I have misunderstood you I apologize. Seldom does an individual of this caliber have the issues you describe.

Now with that said maybe the audeince needs understood prior to the type or style or training is deployed.
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Skyguy said;
I agree that trained soldiers can 'cope' with SNS overload...but they cannot eliminate it. They will still react innately as the danger increases.

Your information is outdated. There are several studies that link all the physical effects of stress with specific blood pressure levels. Soldiers and police officers are being taught breathing and relaxation techniques to use under stress that will keep the heart rate down and that keeps the blood pressure down.

It isn't central nervous system overload that causes the physical effects such as tunnel vision to manifest themselves. Its blood pressure. Fear and stress will cause your heart to race and increase your blood pressure, but if you can control your heart rate, and it is controllable with simple deep breathing exercises, then the physical effects of stress don't appear.

Jeff
 
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