Enough bullets are made every year to shoot everyone in the world twice, Oxfam says.

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Global bullet trade out of control -- Oxfam
15 Jun 2006 00:01:00 GMT

By Jeremy Lovell

LONDON, June 15 (Reuters) - Up to 14 billion bullets are made globally every year, enough to shoot every person on the planet twice, aid agency Oxfam said on Thursday in a report urging tougher controls on small arms.

As the United Nations prepares to meet in New York on June 26 to wrangle over regulating the trade in guns and ammunition, Oxfam said lax controls meant millions of bullets ended up in war zones and in the hands of human rights abusers.

And nowhere was this more noticeable than in Baghdad, where shootings are a daily event.

Oxfam calculated it costs just $2.40 to take a human life in the Iraqi capital. The aid agency arrived at the figure by multiplying the black market cost of a bullet for an AK-47 rifle with the eight shots it said was the average to kill someone.

"New ammunition is widely available on Baghdad's black market," said Oxfam director Barbara Stocking. "Either it was smuggled in from neighbouring countries or it was leaked from coalition or Iraqi forces' supplies."

"In either case, weak controls mean lives lost on the streets of Baghdad," she said.

Oxfam's report "Ammunition: the fuel of conflict" said big ammunition makers China, Egypt, Iran, Brazil, Bulgaria, Romania and Israel provide no data at all on their ammunition exports, apart from shotgun cartridges.

It also said at least 76 countries worldwide were now making ammunition -- including Kenya and Turkey which had both joined the global gun club in the past decade.

The report said bullets made between 1999 and 2004 in the Czech Republic, Serbia, Romania and Russia had been found on sale in Baghdad.

But while the trade in small arms was becoming more regulated -- albeit with significant loopholes -- ammunition was often ignored by the lawmakers, Oxfam said.

"At the UN world conference on the small arms trade, governments must agree new global principles to govern both the small arms and the ammunition trade," Stocking said.
 
Practice, practice, practice...............

"Oxfam calculated it costs just $2.40 to take a human life in the Iraqi capital. The aid agency arrived at the figure by multiplying the black market cost of a bullet for an AK-47 rifle with the eight shots it said was the average to kill someone."


You boys need to work on your aim..................
 
How's that line go? "If it needs shootin'..." :)

My thoughts are:

1. The fact that millions of rounds of ammo ends up in warzones should not be a surprise. They are warzones, after all.

2. That global gun ban seems to be working out really well for everyone.

3. Is that a good price for 7.62x39?
 
Ammo

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>But while the trade in small arms was becoming more regulated -- albeit with significant loopholes -- ammunition was often ignored by the lawmakers, Oxfam said.

"At the UN world conference on the small arms trade, governments must agree new global principles to govern both the small arms and the ammunition trade," Stocking said.<
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Red flag! They've tipped their hand again. RKBA is constitutionally protected. Ammunition isn't.
 
LONDON, June 15 (Reuters) - Up to 14 billion bullets are made globally every year, enough to shoot every person on the planet twice, aid agency Oxfam said on Thursday in a report urging tougher controls on small arms.

what this really shows is that guns are used far more often for sporting and other benign purposes than shooting people.
 
Time to start making those phased plasma rifles in the 40 watt range.

Doesn't use metallic catridges, isn't a firearm so isn't under the ATF's jurisdiction and a UN ammo ban would do no good.
 
"Right to keep and bear arms", that includes all the pieces needed and actually includes swords and bayonetes among other things.
 
14 Billion bullets, eh.
Number might be a little low since I don't recall them asking me or some of my buds what we've been up to.
 
My line always was something to the effect of there not being enough bullets in this world. Maybe I need to revise it to there not being enough bullets in my caliber!
 
What’s the big deal, they are only talking about bullets, all my firearms require the whole cartridge (except for my muzzleloader) to be functional. :neener:

Humor aside.

This report should give us all pause. This is the kind of grist the can be used by the UN to make it more difficult for us to acquire inexpensive ammunition produced in foreign countries. It would not be unreasonable for one to expect access to ammunition of foreign origin to be more difficult in the future. Makes you wonder how the so called “pro-gun progressives” feel about how their side will ensure that they have access to affordable ammunition. I’m sure liberals will work to ensure that shooting will be accessible to those of us of average means and not just the elite <sarcasm>.
 
Cost of taking a life....

....

News flash,

Today in CAVEMAN times, several cavemen were in a brawl. One caveman pushed another down a steep cliff and the fallen cavement died of his internal injuries. Another caveman suffered a fractured skull and hemoraging of the brain due to repeated blunt hits in the head with a large rock. Finally, a third caveman died from injuries suffered when he was impaled by a large sharped stick.

The cost of taking a life was calculated at zero.
 
The article starts with the ignorant use of

"bullets" when the correct term for the item in question is "cartridge." The quality of the article drops precipitously thereafter. :scrutiny:

FIRST, ammunition is not solely limited to armed forces or even killing. This article wholly ignores sport shooting.

SECOND, one would expect ammo in a war zone, whether it is the weapons bazaar of Mogadishu or the houses in Baghdad.

THIRD, even if one buys the insipid premise that arms exist solely to kill, don't those forces so equipped need to practice?

IN SHORT, the article is long on false premises, misdirection and illogic. Sounds like the product of the UN or DNC. :barf:
 
maybe the UN would rather let them have machetes, I guess then it'll be OK.

8 shots per kill seems a bit too good for the typical AK weilding type, you'd think it'd be a lot higher, like the US in 'nam.

UN:barf:
 
That Oxfam statement bears trivialisation.
What does regulation of a legal trade do to the black market in the
same good? Oxfam says the black market is out of control due to
a lack of restriction on the legal trade? Legitimate dealers who try
to abide by the regulations may be surprised that they are
under-regulated.

Oxfam claims there are two bullets made each year for every person ,
enough to kill every person on the planet twize.
Then they claim it takes eight bullets to kill an Iraqi.
14 billion bullets divided by eight is enough bullets to kill 1.75 billion
people once.
The cost of eight black market bullets in Iraq is $2.40?
What was the cost of a Rawandam life taken by a thug with a
machete? This kind of rhetoric trivializes the real problem: how to
deal with thug governments.


Will Rebecca Peter's plan of restricting Amercan hunters
to single shot rifles with a maximum range of 100 meters
stop a third world warlord from supplying guns and drugs
to child-soldiers? Not really.
 
Oxfam said lax controls meant millions of bullets ended up in war zones

I can't tell if his goal is to limit legal "bullet" sales, or to stop war by bullet control.

If it's the second one, I wonder what the penalty will be if some power hungry dictator decides to ignore the global goal of no-war-by-less-bullets? Will he be sat in the corner for a time out? What if the dictator decides to resist? You can't send bullets to a war zone (I will pause while you gasp at the idea), someone might get hurt.:scrutiny:
 
Oxfam said lax controls meant millions of bullets ended up in war zones...

Lax controls? And here I was thinking that in order to have a war zone, you pretty much had to have bullets...and, you know, a war...or something...
 
8 shots would be real good,at least compared to the estimated 300 rounds fired by the union army to account for 1 confederate casualty.
 
I really like how they start by saying there are enough bullets to shoot everybody in the world, twice. (This is without me pointing out that bullets don't launch themselves.. Oh. I guess I just pointed that out. Oops.)

And then they innocuously back off from that position by saying that they've calculated that it takes, on average, 8 rounds to kill someone. Unless I'm grossly out of date on the population of the world, or they're expecting the population of the world to queue up to each be shot with a single round, those numbers don't match up.


-edit- Oooh. I see that Carl beat me to that observation. *shakes fist!* :)
 
Most of those "bullets" are obviously being produced, bought, sold, and used to kill people by governments, not private individuals.
 
So, if it takes 8 rounds of 7.62x39 to kill one Iraqi, how many round of .22 Long Rifle (which, IIRC, is over half of the ammunition produced in a year) would it take to do the same?

Sincerely,

Prof. A. Wickwire
 
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