Enough of this French bashing!

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C'mon people, this anti-French stuff has gone too far. It is disgusting to me how we hate France and make the French out to be weak ninnies. So, they have different political views. We don't have to hate a group of people for their political views! Haven't we seen intolerance before? Prehaps with gay-bashing? What about anti-Semitism? This is the same! Come on, let's stop this silly French-hating thing and learn to respect people, even if we don't agree with them. Sheesh!
 
Uh, what brought this on?

As far as I can tell, there hasn't been a lot of French bashing going on for quite some time.

The biggest problem with the French that I see is their lack of memory, and their constant desire to see the United States as the new enemy.

As for respect, it's a two way street. You have to earn it to get it. The French haven't earned it, in my estimation.

:cuss: the French.
 
What brought this on was I saw yet another anti-French t-shirt, and I've thought we should leave the French alone for a long time.
 
Define "letting alone."

The French have proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they're nationally unreliable, ungrateful, and absolutely unrepentant about that fact.

French international relations over the past 50 years have largely been reactionary -- find out what the US is doing, and react against it. Doesn't matter if it's good, bad, or indifferent, it's pretty much a given that the French will decry it.

Yes, the French have the right to act as a national entity. But you'd think that they would occasionally find it to be in their best interests internationally to act in concert, instead of continually in opposition. The French had to be dragged kicking and screaming into the first Persian Gulf War, and for nearly 13 years did everything that they could to get international sanctions against Iraq lifted, even when the Iraqis were far out of compliance.

I believe it was Chiraq who, a few months ago, made it very clear that he viewed France's role in the European Union as a mission of forging a bloc against the United States, which was quickly followed by his admonition to the Baltic states that they should "just shut up" if they supported US actions in Iraq.

The only thing I can figure is that France's problem is largely a national sense of penis envy towards the US. France hasn't been a serious player on the international scene since Napoleon made his final bid for world domination.

Since then virtually everything they've laid their hand at internationally has gone badly.

I've been to France a number of times, and have traveled fairly extensively.

Beautiful nation, and I've met some lovely people there, but I've also met some real :cuss:holes, too. In fairness, I can say that about every nation I've been to, with the exception of Switzerland.

As far as I'm concerned, the French have brought it on themselves. Why should anyone be surprised when they catch grief?
 
Re: France: what can you say about an industrial nation that can't produce a decent motorcycle. France: A nation of men who throw like a girl and women with hairy armpits.
 
Uh, what brought this on?

As far as I can tell, there hasn't been a lot of French bashing going on for quite some time.


true enough, this has been brit-bashing season.

One should point out that people do seem to forget that you owe them for your very existence.
 
Actually, I think it was Louis XVI's cynical power-politicking to help us, and the extra taxes he extorted therefor, which were the precipitating proximate causes of the French Revolution.
 
Want a little cheese with that whine?

Seems to me I've been hearing for some time how America is imperialist, how our president = Hitler, how we torture innocents in Guantanmo, etc. Yanqui go home is now an old, old expression. There are people who make careers of hating McDonald's. Europe thinks we're all murderers. Canadian government officials call us bastards. I could go on all day....

So get over it. Either learn to take it yourself, or stop dishing it out.
 
It is disgusting to me how we hate France and make the French out to be weak ninnies.
Well, it's not like they're exactly a tough people, now, is it?
So, they have different political views. We don't have to hate a group of people for their political views!
It's not exactly hate . . . it's more like contempt and disgust.
Haven't we seen intolerance before? Prehaps with gay-bashing? What about anti-Semitism?
Nobody has advocated beating up any Frenchmen they encounter. (What fun is there in beating up someone who runs at the sound of German music? ;) )And as for anti-Semitism, it's seen a sharp increase lately . . . in France
This is the same! Come on, let's stop this silly French-hating thing and learn to respect people, even if we don't agree with them. Sheesh!
Respect has to be earned. Just about the ONLY modern French who have earned respect are those who were ACTIVE in the WWII French Resistance prior to the D-Day invasions. And there are fewer every day. (An awful lot of the frogs joined "The Resistance" only after they saw the landings were successful.)

Good news: American tourism in France is down at least 30% - that's what they admit to officially - and French wine imports to the US are down by more than half. As Yanks discover California, Australia, and other wines, the reduced sales in French wines will probably persist for a long time. This has got to be hurting them. :D
 
It is disgusting to me how we hate France and make the French out to be weak ninnies.

The truth is sometimes not pleasant...:rolleyes:

The biggest problem with the French that I see is their lack of memory, and their constant desire to see the United States as the new enemy

And they got their wish, didn't they? :cuss:

As far as I can tell, there hasn't been a lot of French bashing going on for quite some time.

And THAT is an outrage! Something should be done...

French Leaders Abandon Paris, May Grovel For Help

Germany Invades France, Weapons of Mass Deodorant Fired

:cuss: the Frenchies...
 
Combat:

If you wanna make friends with someone who stabbed you in the back, as well as your dead relatives who died fighting for said back-stabber, you go right ahead.

Its that simple.
 
"One should point out that people do seem to forget that you owe them for your very existence."

There's a big difference between the US and the French in that regard, Agricola.

We remember the French contributions to American idependence, celebrate it, and are GRATEFUL for it.

The French, though?

Four times in the 20th century the United States came to France's aid with military and economic aid, and the response every time has been the equivilent of ":cuss: you, America, :cuss: you, Americans!"
 
Agricola:

true enough, this has been brit-bashing season.

Some cheese with that whine? <BG>

One should point out that people do seem to forget that you owe them for your very existence

No, all the French did in blockading the mouth of the Chesapeake was save Cornwallis the effort at a Dunkirk-style evac under fire. He would have lost all of his cannon, powder, and around 1/3-1/2 of his men even if the Royal Navy had been able to get through.

Washington had Cornwallis surrounded (on the land side) and outnumbered 2:1 at Yorktown. Without the French Conwallis would merely have suffered a massive defeat instead of a Singapore-style surrender.

The French shortened the war by a year or so. Nothing more. What little help they offered was appreciated up to the post WWII era. The France of the late 1700's isn't the France of today.

Your theory that the USA owes it existence to the French in the same way that the UK owes it existence as an independent, English-speaking nation to us Americans is inaccurate.
 
As far as I can tell, there hasn't been a lot of French bashing going on for quite some time.

then we have obiviously fallen down on the job.....

By all means, Let The French Bashing Begin!!!
 
...learn to respect people, even if we don't agree with them.
Uhhh, no thanks. You have to earn my respect. And while I will not condemn an individual for his nationality, I will condemn a culture for its values.

- Gabe
 
What brought this on was I saw yet another anti-French t-shirt, and I've thought we should leave the French alone for a long time.
If it makes ooh feewl any bettooh, I plan to leave all of the E.U. trash alone for the rest of my life.

Let them rot in their own filth for all I care.

Hey Pierre! How does having 80% of your tourist dollars dry up feel?


Ptuii...:fire:
If you wanna make friends with someone who stabbed you in the back, as well as your dead relatives who died fighting for said back-stabber, you go right ahead.
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then we have obiviously fallen down on the job.....By all means, Let The French Bashing Begin!!!
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Uhhh, no thanks. You have to earn my respect. And while I will not condemn an individual for his nationality, I will condemn a culture for its values.
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You know, its really funny that this thread was started by an anti-french t-shirt...I was just looking at them yesterday and thinking I need to get one (as well as some of Oleg's shirts!!!) for the upcoming school year so that I may more easily piss off the liberals on campus!!!

:D :D :D

What did the shirt say? I like the ones from protestwarrior.com that say "Hey FRANCE: YOU shut the hell up! WE'LL protect civilization!"

And I saw one that had a french flag and said on top of the flag: "I HATE FRANCE."

I actually love France; it is a gorgeous country, and Paris is probably the most beautiful city in the world.

Its the french PEOPLE I hate... Any shirts that say "I HATE THE FRENCH"?
 
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