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EUGunBan: Push for 2A in the Czech Republic

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Snejdarek, Dec 16, 2016.

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Between Czech and Swiss model, which one do you consider better?

  1. Switzerland: generally easier access to firearms, but forget concealed carry

  2. Czech Republic: higher innitial hurdle - must gain license first, but shall issue concealed carry

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  1. Ignition Override

    Ignition Override Member

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    I'm confused.
    Can anybody summarize what this would allow in a semi-auto rifle....a max. magazine capacity of 11 rounds?

    Will detachable magazines still be legal, in general, if already legal in a specific country?

    And people in countries (like the Czech Republic) who have a handgun carry permit would still be allowed to have it, unless some countries pass stricter regulations?
     
  2. Snejdarek

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    UPDATE

    Yesterday, 8 months after elections, a new minority government was formed. They will now have 30 days to gain confidence vote from the Parliament's Chamber of Deputies (similar to US Congress).

    The Government's official program proclamation states that they will "continue to support the right for self defense and the right to be armed. The Government shall pass legislation that will minimize the negative effects of the EU Firearms Directive".

    It seems that the constitutional amendment will be back for vote after Autumn Senate elections.
     
  3. Snejdarek

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    You have right to be confused. The Directive is confusing. To dumb it down, it states that sale of standard capacity magazines should be allowed only to those who have permit for corresponing gun, i.e. a firearm that is in A category due to use of standard capacity magazines.

    It further states that if someone has B cat firearm (semi-auto) and is found in possession of prohibited magazine without having permit for A cat prohibited firearm, he shall lose permit for the B cat firearm.

    Since it is up to each country how to get it done they go after the mags in various ways. Some may enact a confiscation/surrender scheme, some may choose a different route.

    Czech way is not clear right now - or to be more precise, Czech implementation seems to be at standstill until the Court of Justice of EU decides on the Czech action to annul the Directive.
     
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  4. Snejdarek

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    Our concealed carry permits are not actually a "handgun permits". I can CC hot any gun I own, be it SBR or MSR as long as I can conceal it.

    Because most countries don't allow CC and Brussels folks are unaware that it exists, the EU legislation does not deal with CC at all. Finally, CC permit is only valid in my country, not in any other EU country, so EU does not really have anything to say.
     
  5. Ignition Override

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    Thanks for the explanations, and also excellent news about no change for the Concealed Carry Permit.

    What is very cool is to carry in the country where they manufacture my CZ PO1 and PCR!
    And the Home of the superb VZ 58. Those can even be bought in Estonia.

    Very lucky situation for Czechs, maybe also for the Slovaks (?).
     
  6. Snejdarek

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    Slovaks have permissive may issue concealed carry which seems a bit far fetched. They need to be cleared by a psychiatrist in all the cases (Czechs only get clearance from general practitioner which is mostly formality, only if you have mental history he sends you for psych eval). Their cops talk to neighbors/employer to assess your character.

    Most importantly though the "permissivnes" may change due to policy and not law amendment. Which is what happened in Austria where they went from permissive to restrictive from one day to another.

    Slovak self loading rifle rules are also much tougher. Not sure how much red tape they need to go through to get a semi-auto vz.58.
     
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    UPDATE

    The proposal for implementation that the government sent to the Parliament in February will likely be decked. It has now been pushed several times out of the Parliament's schedule, so it has not even entered first reading. There seems to be quite a consensus to wait for the decision of the European Court of Justice on the Czech action for annulment.

    Meanwhile it seems more and more probable that the Constitutional Amendment will be reintroduced after the autumn Senate elections.

    For context, here is a photograph of the proposal's rapporteur who is also the head of the Chamber of Deputies' Committee for Security & Defense - and a vice-chair of opposition ODS party that pledged to refuse implementation even in case of EU penalty payments.
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    And yes, she also owns an AR 15.
     
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  8. Snejdarek

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    UPDATE

    Yesterday, Ministry of Interior introduced a draft of Governmental Executive Order that is supposed to implement part of the EU Gun Ban dealing with firearm conversions.

    Firearm conversions were a popular way mainly for people who are into reenactment to have a real firearm coverted into firing blanks only. Other applications include conversions to fire pepper spray or flobert cartridges or deactivation - none of these require gun license or any additional permits as of now.

    Sadly Slovakia had extremely poor conversion/deactivation standards and their "deactivated" firearms became one of main sources of illegal guns used by criminals in Europe. This was used as scapegoat by the European Commission to justify the EU Gun Ban after a number of terror attacks committed mostly with illegal firearms smuggled in from Balcans, but in case of Hypercacher Paris attack reactivated guns from Slovakia were used.

    It seems that the Minister of Interior wants to be able to present some kind of development to the EU Commission now that the implementation process in the parliament has hit a stone wall.

    The proposed Executive Order would mean that deactivated / converted firearms would be still considered as firearms, i.e. their owner would need firearms license - in case of firearms newly entered into market.

    This would mean higher requirements for people who want to enter reenactment, possibly discouraging many in future from joining.

    On the other hand many who simply "want to play" would probably get gun licenses... and once they have a license why not buy a real deal firearm instead of only a punny blank firing conversion?

    Hence, paradoxically, this might actually lead to significant rise in firearm ownership over the next few years as reenactors will be forced to get licenses.

    Which is something we are already seeing now with many new people getting licenses simply because they have a feeling this might be their last chance (mainstream media have been painting EU Gun Ban as a doomsday for civilian gun ownership which forced many to get licenses).
     
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