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EUGunBan: Push for 2A in the Czech Republic

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Snejdarek, Dec 16, 2016.

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Between Czech and Swiss model, which one do you consider better?

  1. Switzerland: generally easier access to firearms, but forget concealed carry

  2. Czech Republic: higher innitial hurdle - must gain license first, but shall issue concealed carry

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  1. Snejdarek

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    I've added a new section on history of Czech gun laws to the Wikipedia:

    Gun_laws_in_the_Czech_Republic#History

    Some interesting facts that I learned while researching the issue:
    - Habsburgs are considered enemy occupants in the country. Yet gun laws were pretty permissive during their rule.
    - Even after the failed 1848 revolution, the new gun law remained permissive.
    - As the ethnic German minority's paramilitary groups started terrorist operations in 1938, a new Firearms Act was adopted that aimed at introducing licensing also for firearms possession. It never got into force as history started moving pretty fast. Also the fact that Germany was smuggling weapons to the terrorists frustrated its purpose.
    - Communist ban got less restrictive in 1983. The rules of late communist Czechoslovakia seem pretty similar to today's rules in, say, Germany.
    - While there was significant liberalization following 1990, things like concealed carry full auto or full-autos converted to semi-autos as shall issue became possible only after 2002 (as well as number of other funs, like PDW).

    Let me know your thoughts, please do not hesitate to correct my English.
     
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  2. Vern Humphrey

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    Impressive. At least there is one other nation that understands that the only free nations are those that have armed populaces.
     
  3. everydefense

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    Wow. Not good. Thanks for posting the translated version- that was quite informative. The opposition's position is eye-opening- they are arguing based on relative lack of legal precedence. That the proposal is right/good/necessary is irrelevant from this point of view. Scary stuff.
     
  4. Snejdarek

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    I was worried about our chances in the Senate but with the LA Strip shooting I am afraid we are done.
     
  5. everydefense

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    It's sad that a few evil people can ruin things for the overwhelming majority who do things right.
     
  6. Blackstone

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    I thought the Czech Republic was one of the best countries in Europe for gun owners. Is it under threat from the EU gun control directive, or more from within the country?
     
  7. everydefense

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    From my understanding:
    I thought the Czech Republic was one of the best countries in Europe for gun owners. Yes
    Is it under threat from the EU gun control directive Yes
    or more from within the country? Apathy by Czech politicians is threatening to allow the EU to trample Czech sovereignty by not standing firm against the directive

    @Snejdarek and others can correct me if I'm off base...
     
  8. Blackstone

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    Switzerland is under a similar threat from the EU gun ban. Will be interesting to see if it proceeds to a referendum and if Switzerland will end up withdrawing from Schengen. The Swiss have already had some tussles with Brussels with regards to Schengen
     
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  9. Snejdarek

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    Well if you don't have the time to go through this thread, here is a comprehensive answer:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Firearms_Directive
     
  10. Snejdarek

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    UPDATE:

    A petition against the EU Gun Ban signed by over 100.000 people underwent public debate in the Senate. While most of the speakers from general public were gun owners, the two senators who participated were vehemently opposed to the proposed Constitutional Amendment.

    Now it seems that there is a strong push for the proposal to be postponed instead of being voted on as scheduled on 11 October. While some claim that the main reason is that most Senate Committees did not have time to submit their opinion on the proposal, other claim that there proposals for laws accompanying the amendment should be drafted first.

    Just that you better understand why it is impossible to know what the vote will look like, this is what our Senate looks like:

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    If that was not enough, most Senators don't really feel bound to vote along the official party line. In general, they feel they are in their seat in order to "correct" the mistakes made by the Chamber of Deputies which is more politicized.

    Anyways, as the parties go:
    ČSSD - Social Democrats / left - the original authors and main backers, should be overwhelmingly pro (yet their most visible senator is also one of those most vocal against the proposal)
    KDU-ČSL - Christian Democratic Party / right - the only party that had clear "against vote" in the chamber of deputies. The only party for the 10% minority of believers in this atheist country. Majority of their voters are coming from rural areas where ownership of hunting firearms is considered the norm. I do believe that their clear stance against the amendment will lose them this election. They are currently polling under the 5% threshold needed to enter the Chamber of Deputies
    ODS - right - the party that pledged "not to implement the Directive even if it means facing EU sanctions" - should be overwhelmingly pro
    ANO - center / populist - no clear position on the amendment, only now with the election nearing did their chair clearly say they will support the amendment / Their MEP Dita Charanzová did most work in the European Parliament of all the 750 MEPs as regards watering down the EU Gun Ban
    STAN - "City mayors and independents" - probably against
    Zelení - green party - clearly against
    and then there's the rest which are mostly impossible to tell.

    Some pics from the senate from the petition facebook page:

    22221763_1816400158371605_650212674165688142_n.jpg Adam Týc

    22154258_1816395155038772_7761962113894427646_n.jpg Czech hunting association head
    22195225_1816373031707651_3319037299267966409_n.jpg Senator Jiří Dientsbier / ČSSD / long time gun control advocate
    22195536_1816308808380740_2502248171369308077_n.jpg Pavel Černý, author of the petition (right)

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  11. Blackstone

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    Interesting that the Green party are against. Traditionally, Green parties in countries tend to be far on the left, and so tend to be anti-gun. Thanks for the update, keep fighting!
     
  12. everydefense

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    That was very informative and interesting, @Snejdarek - thanks for those details!

    @Blackstone - The proposal for Constitutional Amendment is a (potential) Czech law to protect Czech gun rights. This proposal is in opposition to the EU Gun Directive. So Zeleni (Green) being against the proposal is consistent with what you expected about Green parties.
     
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  13. Blackstone

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    Thanks for the explanation, I guess I'm equally surprised that the social democrats (left) want to protect gun rights in this case
     
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  14. Snejdarek

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    They did their math on it. And it seems that it will pay off.

    The two parties that wanted to gain points by presenting themselves as the righteous and sensible opposition to this "idiotic proposal" (KDU + TOP09) are now both polling under 5% needed to enter the chamber. As it turns out, there are many who care for having gun rights protected, and few to none who care about opposing the proposal.

    Also, you might be even more surprised to learn that the COMMUNIST party is also heavily supporting the proposal. This is part of their anti-EU anti-NATO crusade (also, during communism, only those loyal to the party could own firearms, so part of their voter base consists of the older hunters). / We are the only post-socialist country where the local communist party was not forced to change name/appearance. / Also, there is this old election joke in the Czech Republic: "Who will you vote for?" "The Communists." "Yes, but in which party?" (i.e. most current parties have former members of the communist party in their high ranks, i.e. people who left the communist party immediately after the Velvet Revolution).
     
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    Thank you very much for the updates! I really hope this works out!
     
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