Ever wanted to kill another hunter during hunting season?

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Having someone intentionally fire on me I'm not sure if I would offer a warning shot
Trust me, the 1st one wasn't a warning shot. In the excitement I forgot that my scope is sighted in at 100 and didn't play the wind or yardage. It was online with the shooter, just low.

I'm with H&Hhunter on this one.
 
the behavior of the negligent parties is no more or less unforgivable than your extremely poor corresponding illogical & judgemental written descriptions of your then current attitude & temperment, in my honest opinion.
sounds like something someone who has no kids to protect, nor has ever had shots fired in their direction, would say.
 
This reminds me of one of my fears when bird hunting. Here in Mass, Archery (deer) and upland birds overlap, with the archers not being required to wear orange, and many of them in treestands. Several times I've come up on treestands with hunters in them who didn't let me know they were there :what: . I hunt birds without a dog, so I'm not being too stealthy, so any deer near me are probably spooked, why not let me know you're there? My fear is that I'll shoot at a bird, and have some camo'd hunter as my backdrop, not that birdshot is the same as a hunting rifle, but a load of 6's at even 50 yards could do some severe damage to eyes at least!
I have passed up shots quickly when seeing orange tape in a tree, not sure if it was tape or another hunter - gun comes down quick! Feel stupid for passing on the shot due to a piece of flagging tape, but better than tyring to apologize to a widow. Even blowing a call to let me know there is a "deer" in the tree would signal me to wave and try to quietly leave the area. People, THINK!!
 
Unfortunately stories like these are growing more common. I had something similat happen to me when I was in my early teens.

I was hunting with my father as a young teen at our hunting club. The rule is to pin in and pin out everytime you were there on a map under the shed at camp. We pinned in at the creek bottom for some squirrel hunting. We were walking down the bottom when we hear some shotguns going off and leaves coming down around our heads. We immediately dropped to the ground. When the firing stop we started to yell at the dumb arse that was shooting overhead. This is when another member of the hunting club came over the ridge with his JRT chasing some squirrels. He saw us and stopped dead in his tracks. He came over to us to see if we were okay. There was an exchange of heated words as he apologized profusely. His excuse was that he didn't think that anyone would be out hunting on a weekday late in the season. No to mention it was rather cold outside (Mid Feb).

At the next club meeting he didn't show and didn't renew his membership. The president also went over all the rules and let everyone know that it was now a zero policy and you had to sign that you'd adhere to it. If ANY rule was broken you were out of the club indefinitely with no refund.
 
Oh yeah, I'll be carrying my 1911 and a spare mag. Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. What else can you do?
 
Well told, Greg. Isn't it nice to have along a great hunting partner? Your buddy gave you some great advice twice that day. First, DON'T drop in the spot where the bullets are dropping in on you-- run to another location, and clear the camp, quick. Second, let the competent, less-emotionally-charged, trained (in people) person on the scene do the talking, since you have him there.

One of my coworkers was rafting the Red River last year when an almost identical situation occured as his raft with his whole family in it came around a sharp bend in the river above Lake Texhoma. Bullets began zipping into the water all around their raft. Sam dragged his SKS out and fired 4 rounds into the water, fast. The shooting stopped. As they cleared a line of brush, they came into view of a man a hundred yards off the bank, standing with a rifle still shouldered, pointing at his original target, now behind them. Not waving. Not hailing, or saying "sorry." Sam kept a sight picture on him until their raft was out of sight of the man. He said he would have run up to the guy, but his family was still in the boat. If the guy had swung his aim to follow the boat, Sam had 6 more rounds for him.

It's always a worthwhile question to consider if firing off three quick evenly-spaced shots would be the way to go, to let the unseen shooter know that you're there.

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arcticap, I have to ask: are you really espousing this stuff, or are your trolling? Greg has already made clear that he far prefers the way it worked out. Greg has already made clear that he's glad that he didn't kill the man. He's already made clear that he was not talking about what he would do after sitting in a desk chair after a relaxing day, taking a sip of coffee, and typing on the computer. He's relating his emotions, which he felt when himself, his friend, his two little girls, and his wife were repeatedly endangered, in a way that MUST have felt calculated, by an unknown man with a gun.

I've a little psycho babble for you myself, arcticap, that may make some sense to you, and which might actually help you get along with others in this world as you grow: Emotions aren't wrong; they simply are. Okay, Greg got angry. Bloody-eyed enraged, actually. Maybe your emotion for the moment would be simple fear (understandable). Or panic. Or annoyance. I don't know. But the real question is: what would you do,for the safety of your family? (If you had one.) No-- don't answer that-- it was rhetorical. My point is simply this: you can feel however you want, just so you don't act inappropriately.

Now, ask yourself, before you begin further criticizing: "Why did H&HHunter post that? What was the point he was trying to make? Was he just bragging on experiences?" Before you come to a conclusion, I'll give you a hint: Greg had multiple points. In my personal opinion, they were good ones.
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Wow

Arcticap H&H is a well repected member of this forum who knows more about hunting then anyone you or I will ever come across.

I think your comments are out of line and incorrect.

Here in Minneapolis we had a little girl who lived in the hood get shot while she was doing her homework. Some punk shot his .40 a block or two over. The shot just happened to come through the wall and hit her in the head killing her instantly. My point in this is that there is no place that is 100% safe. Taking your kids out on a hunting trip is not any more dangerous then taking them to Disney World.
 
Ever wanted to kill another hunter during hunting season?

Yap, quite a few I'd like to kill (in theory) most of each of the 365 days a year, or at least wish someone would kill them for me. :) Glad you and your family came out alive, H&H. Yes, sighting in should be done well before the season starts, not for the least reason being that shots in the woods make the game leery (leeri-ER than they already are). Rule #4 was not followed, likely because it wasn't known to the guy. We need to let Eddie Eagle in to teach the 4 rules in our grade school classrooms, but the antis fight this tooth and nail, because they're not interested in safety; rather, they're interested in tragic mishaps actually taking place on a regular basis, to advance their diarmament agenda.
 
Last time on public land.

The last time I hunted on public land I was shot at no less then a dozen times. I guess they are lucky that they only allow 12 ga slugs, or someone could really get hurt. These hunters get buck fever and shoot at anything that moves.

I hunt here on my place. Not many deer out here, but at least I don't have to worry about being gunned down while setting in my treestand. (By the way, what are they thinking with this one? How many deer can climb trees?!)
 
sturmruger, I think you missed thepoint of Matt's post, just as Arcticap made some misinterpretation of H&H's comments.

H&H's reaction was very much typical of parental reaction to endangerment of children. The emotional reaction was not at all unusual. Given his commentary as to the degree of over-reaction, it is pointless to castigate at this point. That's sorta like the proverbial "preaching to the choir".

And nobody questioned Articap's qualities as a hunter or as a person. Merely his judgement in this one particular situation.

I suggest folks slow down and go back and read the opening post once again and think about it, as well as the ensuing posts. It's not fun to see a good thread go downhill from misunderstandings...

Art
 
I've never been shot at while hunting, but I remember my father telling me about a time when he and some Army buddies were hunting shortly after WWII - that would make this incident sometime in the late '40s. (Before my time.)

IIRC, the story is that Dad and his buds were walking through some fairly open woods in a line, when someone began shooting in their direction. Bullets were zinging through the trees, and kept coming despite their shouts.

These ex-GIs, WWII combat vets all, returned fire. They heard an engine start and the rapidly-fading sounds of a vehicle departing at high speed down a dirt track.

They came upon a campsite - still with tent, coolers, and other stuff - which had been hastily abandoned, along with some broken glass where they guessed a bullet had knocked out a car window. No sign of a target, no blood, so it seems some morons had just started shooting into the woods for the heck of it, and bugged out when the woods started shooting back.

Dad said he never heard anything more about this afterwards, so I guess nobody was actually hit.
 
Kinda opposite of H&Hs

David4516 Quote:
I've looked thru my binoculars at some sob a scoping me out

I've seen this before. Not good at all. People need to understand that a rifle scope is NOT a substitute for binoculars.


Yeah, ya need to be holding two scoped rifles side by side for true binocular action :banghead: :banghead: :fire: :cuss:


el44vaquero The last time I hunted on public land I was shot at no less then a dozen times. I guess they are lucky that they only allow 12 ga slugs, or someone could really get hurt.

I hope you were being sarcastic :eek: :rolleyes: - shotgun slugs do have a shorter range, which is why they are used in populated areas, but they are very lethal. The full bore slugs open full bore (large caliber) holes even if they don't expand. and the more powerfull sabot slugs ie Winchester Partition Supreme transfer a lot of wallop

I had the following occur on a public land hunt during deer gun season. (Kokosing Reservoir Wildlife Area, Knox County, Ohio) Now I know enough to stay away, but this was Sunday, the last day of gun season so a friend and I gambled that being sunday, participation would be light. And so it was, relatively. I had to go from my county to this in an effort to tag out. We were in fairly early, and my friend whistled and pointed. About 75 yards away, a decent buck (no, he wouldn't have been B/C) was making his way to an opening. I looked around, saw nobody around except my friend, raised the barrel of my slugger and waited for a clear shot. A few minutes, the deer is still fidgeting behind some brush and I hear crunch, crunch, crunch. A party of 3, complete with hunter orange stetson is making their way toward us. My friend puts up the universal hand signal for stop, and they stop about 30 yds away from us. Amazingly, after all the noise and motion the deer is still where he was. With the intruders temporarily stopped, and not anywhere close to my field of fire, I again raise my gun. And then they walk right in front of us.

"What do you see, man?"

"That buck that's running away right now, that I've been trying to wait out for the last few minutes" I reply. :fire:
"Bummer, Dude"

"Couldn't you guys have waited and stayed still once you saw a raised gun?" I asked? "You walked right in front of me, and ruined a shot"

"We didn't think you were actually aiming at anything"

"But you saw our "hold up signal", and you held up for what, a minute?"

"Dude, you didn't shoot" :banghead:
"You still could have shot, even with us walking up "

Uh, no I couldn't. I am a safe, conscientious hunter. At that point I gave up talking to them, and we went and found an area difficult enough to walk into that it would discourage the "sunday hunters"
 
Ever wanted to kill another hunter during hunting season?

More than one other "hunter". Coming that close to killing them is why I quit hunting large game a few years back. I killed an enourmous buck and had it stolen from me by 4 slobs. I could have killed them all. I saw red but came to the conclusion that the animal wasn't a good trade for four worthless human lives even though it did take me 25 years to finally succeed in getting the big one. I might not have the trophy on the wall to point at but I feel that I accomplished my goal just the same.
 
H&H hunter:

Thanks for sharing your story, it may serve to educate some less experienced hunters and avoid an incident or two. Scary how little some folks know about safe firearms handling. Glad no one was hurt!

Something to be said about the lease system in Texas; at least we know who is hunting the area, barring a fence jumper, of course.

Regards,
hps
 
We STILL don't hunt there anymore!

I posted this elswhere some time ago. Guess it is worth repeating...


We don't hunt there anymore.

It was a Sunday night in the mid-1960’s, the end of opening weekend. My best friend and I had spent the weekend in the Los Padres National Forest north of Los Angeles on our first deer hunt on our own, without the usual mob of parents, uncles, cousins, siblings, friends, and friends of friends. Ah, to actually make decisions, not merely abide by them! It was glorious, even if we were skunked.

We hunted right up to the sunset plus thirty minute limit before breaking camp and it was late and we were tired when we finally hit the road. The first order of business was to boost caffeine and blood sugar, so we stopped at the first roadhouse we came to for pie and coffee.

The Gorman Café was packed when we arrived but turnover soon let us get seats at the counter. In one corner booth were six or seven hunters, very loud and working on very drunk, at least two hip flasks making frequent circuits around the table, "sweetening" the coffee.

As my friend and I tanked up on pie and coffee, another group of hunters entered. There was a very loud exchange of greetings as the new group and the group in the corner recognized each other. Then there was THE EXCHANGE: a new arrival shouted "Did you get anything?" at the gang in the corner. The answer came back loud and clear:


"Naw, we didn’t see anything. We got some sound shots, though!"
 
Huck, a reverse twist on that theme:

Years ago my father was invited to hunt on a 10,000-acre ranch. He arrived at the hunt camp, to find three relative "newbie" hunters there. From conversation, he figured he didn't really want to be near them during the hunting. Inexperience, mostly, on their part...

In a discussion about hunting methods he offered, "Y'know, I always found sound shots to be productive." He then answered questions about that, "Aw, you just shoot into some brush if you hear any sound, and then if it's a deer running out, you shoot it."

"Where you gonna hunt in the morning?" was the next question.

He said it was nice to have 9,900 acres all to himself.

:), Art
 
Heh. I'm bettin' Art's daddy answered, "Everywhere but that far northwest corner pasture where the spring is. I figured I'd leave that good spot to y'all, and I won't bother it." And there they stayed, afraid of the shoot-at-sounds hunter. . . !
 
Wellll

By popular demand :) -

A bunch of big city A-wads came up from Detroit to an area I'd been hunting practically everyday for 20 years. Opening morning I go to park in my normal spot and there is a guy standing where I park my truck. That's where he intended to hunt. I waited for him to move, parked, got my stuff together under his watchful eye and took off for my spot about a quarter mile into the swamp. Left him standing guard over my truck. I thought that was awful nice of him. :rolleyes:

About noon I shot the deer. It was a sad situation because I forgot my rifle ammo at home and only had hollowpoint 44mag pistol ammo available. We played hide and seek for about 5 minutes before I was able to get lined up for a good hit. The blood trail was heavy. I tracked him to a shallow beaver pond halfway back to the truck. The deer crossed this water. At this point the guy who was guarding my truck comes running up and asks if I shot. I told him I had shot one and was going around the pond to get it.

Just as I pick up the blood trail on the other side of the pond I hear a shot no more than 50 feet away. I step around a bush and there's that guy again. He ran around the pond in the other direction. He's standing over my deer with his tag already attached to those enourmous antlers and the smoke still rising from the fur where he put his 20 gauge slug into it's neck. He must have heard me coming and decided he better hurry up and get a bullet into it. I asked him why he shot my deer and he said he shot it from 125 yards away as it was peeking over a bush at him. Do you feel the heat yet? I did and it was 20° F.

I began to cut my pistol bullet out of the animal to prove him a liar and he starts blowing this whistle. A very obnoxious whistle and he blew it until the next thing I know I am surrounded by all these guys.

That's it. They weren't letting me drag my kill out of there. Still burns my hide :fire:
 
I learned a lesson similar to that one. I went hunting w/ a buddy to his camp. He had done some scouting and set us up in a really good thick spot that most of the boyz in the camp didn't want to hunt cause you couldn't see more than ~50 feet in any direction. I hear noise and see movement, it was a pair of doe working their way up the trail that I was sitting beside. I couldn't get a clear shot and didn't want to shoot thru the brush so I waited. Suddenly a Buck bugled and all I saw was white flashes as the does ran off.

When I was back at the camp one of the guys statrted talking about the day and I told him about my day. You know a couple of hunters talking. When my buddy and I got ready to go back out. we found that we had been signed back in and somebody else was on the areas that we had been in. :fire:
I told my buddy and apologized profusely since I had screwed up his hunt as well.

My lesson was Never let someone know that you saw a deer or that you might have shot at one. :( My buddy isn't in that club anymore either.
 
"Naw, we didn’t see anything. We got some sound shots, though!"

Wow, are there actually people that stupid? To shoot just at a sound? Unbelievable! Art, that is too funny. I can just see all of those guys well-covering a 5-acre spot in a far corner of that lease, all within sight of one another - lol.

Ryder, your story is also absolutely unreal that they would do that to you - you practiced much restraint, to your credit.
 
Carnaby: To reassure, I have been hunting for 23 years and had accompanied my uncles for 5 years before that and, in that entire time, I have only been shot at once and that was from a looong range. the guy was still 200 yards away. Definitely not close enough to "know your target".

Hunting is still a safe sport and getting safer every year with DEC Hunter Education Courses and NRA Firearm safety courses. As an example, 30 of every 100K ppl get hurt every year playing badminton. Only 6 of every 100K get hurt while hunting and that includes tripping over a gopher hole and spraining your ankle. IOW, not all hunting injuries directly involve a firearm. Over half of these could be considered "hiking" injuries and it just happened that they were carying a firearm.

Berek
 
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