Blackfork
Member
Reading the Constitution AND the framers thoughts.
IF the Bill of Rights merely LISTS rights that every human being has upon being created- rights that exist BEFORE the formation of any government, then HOW can those rights be regulated by writing law aimed at limiting this amendment or that amendment?- The amendments are just a list- (and it's a list that restricts government from doing just THAT. Congress shall make NO law, et, et.)
It's obvious that the courts and congress and the executives think that the Bill of Rights is NOT merely a list of inalieanble rights, but the granting of the rights themselves, subject to being whittled away or adjusted, since they didn't exist in the first place until Congress granted them.
Government made them, government can take them away, or adjust them, or limit, regulate, abolish, et, et. They have it exactly backwards.
I'd like to point out that the Bill of Rights was the dealmaker- without it, the people would NOT have adopted the Constitution at all- but gone ahead as separate powers with states as the largest government.
The deal has been broken every way it can be broken. Very disgusting situation.
Reminds me of talking to a city streets supervisor about a crew he sent to cut a tree limb that overhung the street on my block. He insisted to me that the city had the RIGHT to cut the limb. After about the third time I corrected him and said- The city had the POWER- granted by the citizens who were the only folks who had RIGHTS, unless he cared to show me a Bill of Rights that cities had before there WERE any cities- a right endowed to cities by the creator- he ought to consider the way he talked and thought about his relationship to his job and fellow citizens.
Human beings have RIGHTS. Government has transitory POWER granted to it by those human beings.
I'm probably lucky he didn't call the police. They cut the limb- not a big deal though I am glad I got them to look twice at it, but the larger issue is that there are whole governments full of people running things who think that the police, the city, the states, the fire dept, the inspectors...have RIGHTS to do whatever their job is, not merely transitory power GRANTED by the people. And they act on that belief.
IF the Bill of Rights merely LISTS rights that every human being has upon being created- rights that exist BEFORE the formation of any government, then HOW can those rights be regulated by writing law aimed at limiting this amendment or that amendment?- The amendments are just a list- (and it's a list that restricts government from doing just THAT. Congress shall make NO law, et, et.)
It's obvious that the courts and congress and the executives think that the Bill of Rights is NOT merely a list of inalieanble rights, but the granting of the rights themselves, subject to being whittled away or adjusted, since they didn't exist in the first place until Congress granted them.
Government made them, government can take them away, or adjust them, or limit, regulate, abolish, et, et. They have it exactly backwards.
I'd like to point out that the Bill of Rights was the dealmaker- without it, the people would NOT have adopted the Constitution at all- but gone ahead as separate powers with states as the largest government.
The deal has been broken every way it can be broken. Very disgusting situation.
Reminds me of talking to a city streets supervisor about a crew he sent to cut a tree limb that overhung the street on my block. He insisted to me that the city had the RIGHT to cut the limb. After about the third time I corrected him and said- The city had the POWER- granted by the citizens who were the only folks who had RIGHTS, unless he cared to show me a Bill of Rights that cities had before there WERE any cities- a right endowed to cities by the creator- he ought to consider the way he talked and thought about his relationship to his job and fellow citizens.
Human beings have RIGHTS. Government has transitory POWER granted to it by those human beings.
I'm probably lucky he didn't call the police. They cut the limb- not a big deal though I am glad I got them to look twice at it, but the larger issue is that there are whole governments full of people running things who think that the police, the city, the states, the fire dept, the inspectors...have RIGHTS to do whatever their job is, not merely transitory power GRANTED by the people. And they act on that belief.