Exploded Gun

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For those of you who have never experienced a gun exploding in your hands, God Bless. May you never.

If you are curious how it could happen and what it looks like, I submit the following pictures.

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First, look at picture (1). This is an H&K USP 45 that blew apart. You can see how the frame split from top to bottom. The only thing holding the frame together are the metal linkages (trigger to hammer). Note also the space on the frame just behind the trigger and below the slide. There's a chunk of frame missing from the grip where 2 rounds came off the magazine and through the frame. Only 1 round fired. All other rounds were accounted for. 7 in the magazine, 2 on the ground, one in the chamber. No squibs. No bullets stuck in the barrel (in fact the barrel was clear after the failure).

This is a fine example of a catastrophic failure.

Next look at the shell (2). This was a reloaded round from a reputable reloader whose been in the business for over 10 years making and selling reloads. The brass failed, probably because of a weakness in the brass. However, the only way for the shell to blow out this way, is if the cartridge were not fully supported in the barrel.

You will note in (3) the small band around the shell. The cartridge never fully seated in the barrel prior to firing. This band matches the edges around the opening of the barrel. The band does not extend around to the top case because the top of the barrel contacts the top of the case. Placing the shell into the barrel, the blowout matches perfectly with the feed port and the bands match along the sides of the barrel. (4) Shows the case in the barrel (barrel is up side down).

What does this tells us. First, the gun never locked up properly. In retrospect, I should have suspected something was wrong when the gun consistently fired low of the aim point. I had mistakenly believed this to be because I wasn't used to the gun (the gun exploded on the 21st round I had ever fired through it). Secondly, by using reloads, even by a reputable dealer, you can never be sure how many time the brass has been re-used. And by using reloads you are voiding your warranty. H&K unfortunately hid behind their disclaimer, blamed the ammunition, and charged me $200 for the repair. To their credit, however, the only damage I sustained was a scrape on my hand from where the frame blew out releasing the 2 rounds from the magazine (and one heck of a stinging feeling in my hands).
 
Dang!!! Im glad you werent hurt. Since it doesnt look like the gun was locking up all the way were these lead bullets? i had thsi problem when i shot soem lead reloads my own slide wouldnt lock Oal for rest of my guns was to long for Hk ..Also im taking it fired out of battery but how is my question .. when mine jammed up there was no way it would fire..

Again glad your not hurt
 
Hey, that looks familiar.

I had a blowout last Monday.

Word on this...

Look at the brass flow around the rim on the case, which is very apparent in photo 3.

That is a classic sign of high pressure. WAY HIGH pressure.

The case on my desk has it, but your case is MUCH worse.

What's the condition of the primer flash hole and the primer pocket?

Picture 4 shows that the primer is MISSING. Another indication that the chamber pressure was just off the charts.

I'd say that the brass failed not because of an inherent weakness, but again, high pressure.
 
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FMJ bullets.

Mike,

The primer was probably removed when the shell was removed by H&K (I'm guessing). The round was likely overcharged, but this is vehemently denied by the reloader (claims it's not possible with his equipment, claims...). Even so, had the cartrdige have been fully seated in the barrel, I would expect that the barrel would have supported the case preventing it from blowing out like this, IMHO.
 
I recently read somewhere that the USP is engineered to split like it did in pic #1 to reduce the chance of injury in the event of kB!

Is that true, or is it just an old wives tail? By the looks of the pic I'd say its true.
 
Had it happen in my Colt 45 Gold Cup as well. Double charge in my case I'm pretty sure. Probably the same in your case as well........no matter what the reloader says. It did not fire in that position and blow out like that. The pistol has a disconnect that should prevent it from firing at all if the pistil is out of battery. What happens when there is Wayyyyyy too much pressure in the chamber (as in a double charge of powder) is this......after the bullet has left the chamber, the pistol unlocks and the slide starts to move backward and pull/extract the casing out of the chamber. Unfortunately the chamber pressure is too high and as the casing just starts to come out of the chamber and more of the case becomes unsupported.....the case blows out right where yours did. At this point the pressures on the case have expanded the case to a much tighter than normal fit in the chamber and since the case has blown....all the gasses go down into the magwell and blow the magazine apart and in your case rupture the polymer frame as well. I had the exact same thing happen as did Mike except our frames were steel and seemed to have suffured no ill effect. My pistol was locked up as yours was and I had to tap the case out as well.

The cause would seem to be too high a chamber prssure. If it wasn't a double charge is it possible there was a squib load in front of this one? Something caused there to be VERY high pressure in the chamber.

I just thought of something.......if it were possible for the round to fire in the pistol when it was not fully seated into the chamber (as in out of battery), then you would think the case would blow out the same way. BUT would the case head expand? I would not think so, but am not sure about that. I know in my case and in Mikes as well, the case head expanded so much from overpressure that the primer pocket was enlarged quite a bit. Did your casing's primer pocket become enlarged? Also it is hard to tell in your pics if there was a deep impression of the extractor cutout impressed onto the casehead as well. I know mine had it.
 
Two USP45 kB!'s in a week, with one including a firing-out-of-battery incident and the other immortalized on silicon by Dean Speir, to boot!

Can't wait to see the gunboard legends that are going to grow up around this one. ;)
 
I had the exact same thing happen with my Beretta 92 2 years ago. The case blew out at the extractor groove. Stung my hand like hell and showered me with hot burning powder and brass. The pistol survived unscathed, but had to be reassembled. The case looked exactly like yours except in a smaller 9mm size.

I was using some elcheapo reloads that a local gunshop stocked. It was the first round out of the box that KB'd.

If there's a lesson to be learned its that Never, Never use someone else's reloads in your gun. The dollar or two you save is not worth the price of destroying your gun, your fingers, or your eyes.
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"Can't wait to see the gunboard legends that are going to grow up around this one."

I know what you guys did wrong................You loaded the bullets like they show you not to in this HK USP ad. Now if you guys would have done it this way.........your guns would be ok! :D
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Kidding.....Im glad youre both OK..................Shoot well
 
I noticed something about the pictures of the 2 HK KB's- the frames are both blown out at the same place. I'm not familiar with HKs- do they have polymer frames?
When I had the KB with my beretta, the rh grip panel peeled completely back in roughly the same position on the pistol- it seemed to allow the gasses to vent. I couldn't imagine the amount of force it took to bend it back that far or to blow the frames out on your pistols. Seems like the pistols did their jobs and were engineered well enough to protect the shooters from serious harm in such an event. A good reason why you couldn't pay me to shoot a cheap Raven or Hipoint pistol.
 
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Newbie question:
what in the mechanism is supposed to keep the gun from firing out of battery?

Which semi-auto mechanisms are susceptible to this?

Thanks,
 
It seems to me that the effects of KB's on polymer framed pistols, Glock, HK, or whatever, should dispel the notion that a polymer gun is "just as strong" as a steel gun. Lighter, yes. Higher strength to weight ratio, probably. Stonger, no. Just one more reason why my favorite pistol is a good old steel 1911, and steel pistols in general. :)
 
10Ring,
This is starting to sound like an AA meeting. "Hi, my name is xxx and I blew up a gun."

Well add me to that list. I blew up my HK USP on round number 6 about 4 years ago. The first 5 rounds were LSW. On round number 6 ( and the other 999rds. I had loaded) I had the RCBS scale set at either 5 or 10 grains to high. I thought it kicked kind of hard and didn't realize the gun had bounced off of my forehead until I leaned over to pick it up off of the ground and had blod drip off of my forehead. My right hand also felt like it had been hit by a hammer. Blew out the right side of the frame, the slide internals, and bottom of the magazine. It split down the right side and front sides of the frame. A 7mm piece of brass went in my right hand and it is still there. Luckily no nerve damage. Just partial problems moving my right index finger under the middle one. HK replaced the frame and fixed the gun for about $125. Expensive lesson. I have digital scales and a new set of glasses now.

Melvin
 
I gotta hand it to HK, the pistol in question didn't COMPROMISE at all with the explosion--it just gave up to it.
 
And people wonder why I don't reload or use reloaded ammo.

I'll give a copy of this thread to the next person who signs up for one of my CCW classes who complains that I don't allow reloaded ammo for the range session.
 
I have to agree with several of the above posts. You're KB pics show a cartridge with all the classice signs of massive overpressure.

Brad
 
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