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Gun explodes in man's face

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Justin:
Hmm...

Right in the Glock manual it warns you not to shoot reloads through the pistol.

Says so in plain English.

Yet those who disdain Glocks will continue to point to KB!'s caused by reloads and yammer on about how poorly designed Glock pistols are.

If you want to shoot reloads, don't shoot them through a Glock.

If you want to shoot reloads through a Glock, get an after-market barrel.

But to disparage a design as inherently dangerous when in fact it is only dangerous when used in a way not intended by the manufacturer is downright foolish. It's akin to putting diesel in a Ford Taurus and then complaining that the car won't run.
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In the same section of the Glock manual that says "warns you not to shoot reloads", I find the following warnings:

“DO NOT CARRY THE PISTOL IN THE READY TO FIRE CONDITION. THIS IS NOT THE RECOMMENDED SAFE-CARRYING METHOD FOR CIVILIAN USE.â€

And:

“TO MINIMIZE RISK OF UNITENTIONAL DISCHARGE (AND DAMAGE) LOAD LIVE AMMUNITION INTO PISTOL WHEN YOU ARE READY TO SHOOT.â€

Sorry for the CAPS, but that’s the way it was written.

Do you follow these instructions as religiously as you do their warnings against hand loaded ammunition? If not, why not?
 
Whut? Mr. El Teejon: How dare ya say my Glock aint Perfekt? Why the man at the gunshoppe told me it was and why should you know better than a member of Seel Team 37? :rolleyes: :neener:
 
Glock's Caveat

Right in the Glock manual it warns you not to shoot reloads through the pistol.

Says so in plain English

Forsooth! How ya gonna trust a snake like that?

I mean...if the reason behind it is 'cause the case bulges, and reloadin' it
and shootin' it again might put the case in the same position as it was the first time...and the weakened area might blow out on subsequent firiings...

Sounds to me like theyve put absolute faith in the integrity of every single
brass case drawn that it won't have a thin spot in the head area. Just
like there are no air bubbles or other flaws in MIM parts...ever.

How ya gonna TRUST a snake like that? Sarge? Would YOU trust a snake like that?:scrutiny:

Gimme case head support. I like .45 ACP for less than a nickel a round.

Cheers!

Bullet moldin,' case primin', ree-loadin'....Tuner
 
But a good number of the failures that made the NLETS/TTY involved factory loads from major manufacturers. Those are the ones that concern me.
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Oh yeah, I've noticed that, too. JACKETED loads, so the lead buildup theory does not apply.

IIRC, all of those have been case wall blowouts (it's not he HEAD that's partially unsupported) rather than chamber/barrel fractures. One of the worst barrel breaches I've seen pictures of was an aftermarket stainless barrel.

Follow the advise and you still get a kB!

I still wonder if/how many of these instances are traceable to goons using Brasso or other ammonia-bearing solutions on their brass, seriously weakening it?
 
The so called "Safe Action" is not safe at all. It's only a marketing gimick to make it seems like Glock has a proper external safety when it doesn't. Glocks own manual admits this. They say not to carry your Glock around with a round in the chamber. The trigger inside the trigger is like putting the accelerator peddle inside the brake. It serves no safety purpose at all. Tell me what over gun manufacture says in their manual not to carry with a round in the chamber? How stupid is that. So instead of 10rnds I should carry 9rnds around because the gun doesn't have a proper safety. Glock deserves to get sued and it's no wonder why. Gaston Glock doesn't give a poo poo and that's what he said.
 
QUOTE:
"I too would love to know if this was a .45 or a .40.. darned media."


I'm curious as to why that matters to you in this particular instance? .40 KB's are the most common, but it does happen with .45 as well.
 
Tuner...

How ya gonna TRUST a snake like that? Sarge? Would YOU trust a snake like that?
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Not hardly... where I come from we shoot snakes.

PS- We expect the the durned gun to stay together, until we're finished, too!:D
 
Actually, there might be more .45 ACP (and 10mm) kabooms proportionately than .40 S&W kabooms. It just appears there are more .40 S&W kabooms because the G22/23 are more common than the G20/21.
 
For those who have expressed an interest in the precise caliber and model number of Glock pistol that were involved in this specific KB incident:

I have sent e-mails to Danny Carr at Target World and to Ray Riling, inquiring about same.

Will post details here if/when I receive any.
 
“DO NOT CARRY THE PISTOL IN THE READY TO FIRE CONDITION. THIS IS NOT THE RECOMMENDED SAFE-CARRYING METHOD FOR CIVILIAN USE.â€
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No, I don't follow that to the letter.

But if by doing so, I shot myself in my own ???, I would not blame Glock.

Just like if I went against the manual on poor re-loads or shooting lead, and my Glock blew up. I know that *I* caused it, not Glock.




In all honesty, the leading issue is perfectly fine with me. I mean, welcome to 2003.

However, it would be nice to have a gun that was over-built enough to handle a full case of powder behind it's projectile, in any caliber. (just incase a factory goofs too.)

The latter I can see as a good reason why someone (not me, though I did get mine in 9mm in part because I belive it is the stronger/est Glock.) would make the choice to not use a Glock.
 
Sarge- thought you might have them all nice in a spreadsheet you could open and say "uh, thirteen in 9mm, fifty-three in .40" or such. Seems that's not the case, no worries.


Also, only the first two lines of my post were specifically directed at you.

Just like you, if there really is a big problem (other than mis-use of the gun, I consider double-charges and shooting lead to be mis-use, they are known don't-do-its!) I want to know about it.

PS: Stay caffinated, it's the only way to avoid the withdrawls!
I can quit any time I want, I swear.

Happy Shooting!
 
It would be very interesting to see detailed numbers on Glock and any other pistols along with # sold (presumably used) etc.

The website referenced in an earlier post noted "Respected firearms author Frank James, in 1994, documented a number of kB!s in HK USP .40 pistols, which do have fully supported chambers." and "Many 1911-style handguns have partially unsupported case mouths, and numerous case separations have occurred in these guns."

Is is possible that part of the problem is KB's on Glocks tend to be more catastrophic (due to the design of the pistol)? Could is also be due to the popularity? Just so darned many of them out there?

If it was just an 'unsupported barrel' issue all the people shooting .45 Super outta their Glock .45ACP pistols would be in a world of hurt, but .45 Super cases are stronger so that doesn't appear to be the case.

In fact, I've never heard of a .45Super KB, so perhaps I should be shooting that only ;-)
 
Just like if I went against the manual on poor re-loads or shooting lead, and my Glock blew up. I know that *I* caused it, not Glock.
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This is just silly. No one here is talking about the appropriateness of “poor-reloads†for Glocks or any other gun. BUT there is a faction here that says NO hand loads should be used in Glocks because “the manual says so in Englishâ€. There is also a group that says “no lead†even though the manual makes NO comment on this. I was trying to point out that MANY guns warn against hand loads for liability reasons yet no one seems to worry about in non-Glock firearms.

There is nothing wrong with using hand loads in Glocks. Like any gun, you need to make sure that your brass is good. Unlike many guns they are hard on brass in the high pressure rounds. I’m not a Glock guy (though I respect them) but my brother has loaded and shot many 1000’s of lead bullets through his .45 ACP Glock (M-21?) and I trust his abilities more than most.

If .40 Glocks do KB more than other pistols it is for a reason other than hand loads. I would be concerned about driving swaged lead bullets over 1000 fps though so I could see this contributing to heavy leading in a polygonal barrel.
 
Re: the Glock manual warning against reloads. It's not unique to Glock. If my memory serves me correctly the same warning is in the manuals from all the other major manufacturers of handguns.
 
Follow-up to "Gun explodes in man's face"

One of our moderators locked the original thread, so I'm posting info here in a fresh one. I don't know if it can be done or not, but in the interest of keeping all the info on this incident in one place, maybe he can append this to the original closed thread.

Anyway, for those who have expressed an interest in the precise caliber and model number of Glock pistol that were involved in this specific KB incident, I heard back from Danny Carr at Target World today. Quoting:

"Sir, the gun was a Glock 21, 45acp. We also feel the reporter gave a fair
report that was un-Embellished (RARE). Thank You"

That's all I have to say about that.
 
I merged your info here since you didn't appear to want to fan the flames only to add one final report concerning an email you sent before the closure, and I thank you for that. But, please bear in mind for future reference, when a thread is closed, it is closed.
 
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