Extreme 124 and 147gn RN 9MM powder charges

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Ok guys I bought some Extreme copper Plated bullets and am looking for some info on powder starting points for 9mm.

I have bought a pound of BE 86 but can’t find any info for this powder and these Bullet.

Called Extreme and they said to use the Speers book under TMJ loads all I could find was 124 gr bullets.

I’m not opposed to buying different powder I just want to make sure I have a safe starting point.

I have the Hornady and Lyman’s manuals and nothing in them as well.

Just want to make sure I am safe.

Thanks. Bill
 
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Walkalong said:
The Speer #14 doesn't have BE-86 data in it, but BE_86 will work just fine. There is a very long BE-86 thread that may help.

https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/be-86.760289/

Alliant has data that should prove helpful.

http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/default.aspx?page=/reloaders/RecipeList.aspx&
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I found the BE 86 thread and lots of info. I don’t remember seeing anything with regards to Extreme bullets.

I found the stuff on the Alliant site as well but I see 124 and 147 FMJ but it doesn’t say fN RN etc

I see different info for each with other powders. The Extreme bullets are Copper Plated I think I left this out sorry guys

Thanks
 
Bill Siler said:
Extreme bullets ... looking for ... starting points for 9mm ... BE 86 ... 124 gr
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I use 5.2 gr of BE-86 with 124 gr plated RN loaded to 1.130" - 1.145" OAL.

With X-Treme regular plated RN, I would suggest a start charge of 4.6 gr. Use the longest OAL that works with your barrel/pistol.
 
Xtreme adds a some extra bullets in there 500 rnd box I use these to make dummy rounds to determine a col for that bullet.
I then try to decipher a safe start load base on all of the available data and start at my lowest best guess.
 
bds said:
I use 5.2 gr of BE-86 with 124 gr plated RN loaded to 1.130" - 1.145" OAL.

With X-Treme regular plated RN, I would suggest a start charge of 4.6 gr. Use the longest OAL that works with your barrel/pistol.
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Thanks this helps a lot. Do you know what velocity this load produces?

My gun will shoot 1.154 as this is what the Maytech I’ve been shooting comes out at.
 
joneb said:
Xtreme adds a some extra bullets in there 500 rnd box I use these to make dummy rounds to determine a col for that bullet.
I then try to decipher a safe start load base on all of the available data and start at my lowest best guess.
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That’s good to know I’ve used a lot of those up haha setting OAL at 1.153 and working on crimps etc no primer or powder.

Staring slow learning things I’m good with wasteing stuff if it keeps me safe

I have a progressive press and have and will use it as a single stage in a way doing one steep at a time.

I’m even thinking about buying a single stage press to work with as well.
 
Thats funny, I'm a low volume shooter that reloads on a 25 yr old RCBS Rock Chucker press.
 
The 147gr loads were a little on the light side to make 125 PF.
Alliant lists a MAX of 4.7gr of BE86 with a Federal 147 in 9mm
Edit: Start per Alliant would be 4.7- 10% so call it 4.2, I started a little lower at 3.7
(guessing 4.2 of 4.3 to make 125 PF with the Xtreme 147)


Xtreme 147 RN S+B SP Mixed range brass 5" 9mm 1911'
Charges as thrown after setting measure

String: 2
Date: 3/26/2017
Time: 11:10:35 AM
Grains: 147
Hi Vel: 791
Low Vel: 774
Ave Vel: 783
Ext Spread: 17
Std Dev: 7
XTreme 147 1.16 OAl 3.7. BE86
Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
775 113.925 196.03
787 115.689 202.148
788 115.836 202.662
791 116.277 204.208
774 113.778 195.524


String: 5
Date: 3/26/2017
Time: 11:41:22 AM
Grains: 147
Hi Vel: 848
Low Vel: 810
Ave Vel: 830.4
Ext Spread: 38
Std Dev: 14
XTreme 147 1.16 OAl 4.0 BE86
Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
826 121.422 222.76
810 119.07 214.136
835 122.745 227.558
833 122.451 226.469
848 124.656 234.699

RMR 124gr Plated RN - Charge ladder
S+B SP Mixed range brass 5" 9mm 1911'
Charges as thrown after setting measure
RMR 124gr Plated RN

String: 3
Date: 3/31/2017
Time: 3:10:32 PM
Grains: 124
Hi Vel: 976
Low Vel: 957
Ave Vel: 966
Ext Spread: 19
Std Dev: 7
RMR 124 1.12 OAL BE86 4.5gr
Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
973 120.652 260.645
957 118.668 252.143
962 119.288 254.785
976 121.024 262.254
965 119.66 256.376


RMR 124gr Plated RN - Charge ladder
S+B SP Mixed range brass 5" 9mm 1911'
Charges as thrown after setting measure
String: 1
Date: 3/31/2017
Time: 3:12:00 PM
Grains: 124
Hi Vel: 1032
Low Vel: 995
Ave Vel: 1013
Ext Spread: 37
Std Dev: 15
RMR 124 1.12 OAL BE86 4.7gr
Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
1023 126.852 288.121
1032 127.968 293.213
1016 125.984 284.191
1001 124.124 275.862
995 123.38 272.565

String: 3
Date: 3/31/2017
Time: 3:14:34 PM
Grains: 124
Hi Vel: 1070
Low Vel: 1045
Ave Vel: 1054
Ext Spread: 25
Std Dev: 10
RMR 124 1.12 OAL BE86 4.9gr
Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
1070 132.68 315.203
1051 130.324 304.109
1048 129.952 302.375
1059 131.316 308.756
1045 129.58 300.646

String: 4
Date: 3/31/2017
Time: 3:15:43 PM
Grains: 124
Hi Vel: 1112
Low Vel: 1080
Ave Vel: 1093
Ext Spread: 32
Std Dev: 12
RMR 124 1.12 OAL BE86 5.1 gr
Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
1112 137.888 340.434
1099 136.276 332.521
1089 135.036 326.497
1088 134.912 325.898
1080 133.92 321.123

String: 5
Date: 3/31/2017
Time: 3:17:17 PM
Grains: 124
Hi Vel: 1135
Low Vel: 1087
Ave Vel: 1115
Ext Spread: 48
Std Dev: 17
RMR 124 1.12 OAL BE86 5.3 gr
Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
1135 140.74 354.662
1117 138.508 343.502
1118 138.632 344.118
1087 134.788 325.299
1120 138.88 345.35

String: 6
Date: 3/31/2017
Time: 3:18:05 PM
Grains: 124
Hi Vel: 1180
Low Vel: 1143
Ave Vel: 1158
Ext Spread: 37
Std Dev: 14
RMR 124 1.12 OAL BE86 5.5 gr
Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
1180 146.32 383.343
1163 144.212 372.377
1160 143.84 370.458
1143 141.732 359.68
1146 142.104 361.57

RMR 124gr Plated RN - 2 different OALs
S+B SP Mixed range brass 5" 9mm 1911'
Charges as thrown after setting measure
String: 5
Date: 3/31/2017
Time: 2:59:36 PM
Grains: 124
Hi Vel: 1015
Low Vel: 977
Ave Vel: 998
Ext Spread: 38
Std Dev: 14
RMR 124 RN 4.5 BE86 1.09 OAL
Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
1005 124.62 278.071
1015 125.86 283.632
1000 124 275.311
977 121.148 262.792
995 123.38 272.565

String: 4
Date: 3/31/2017
Time: 2:57:54 PM
Grains: 124
Hi Vel: 991
Low Vel: 958
Ave Vel: 975
Ext Spread: 33
Std Dev: 15
RMR 124 RN 4.5 BE86 1.11 OAL
Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
982 121.768 265.489
991 122.884 270.378
961 119.164 254.255
986 122.264 267.656
958 118.792 252.67

Edit:
The above were seated deep for a RN. Info was to help people that needed to seat deeper.
Velocity difference between 1.09 and 1.11 would be more pronounced with a heaver load.

Alliant List MAX of 5.8 BE86 with a 124 FMJ 1.12 5.8gr BE86 as the MAX
Start per Alliant would be 5.8- 10% so call it 5.2, I started a lower at 4.5
Edit: Always start low and work up. I think Alliant's data for BE86 runs on the hot side as far as MAX charges are concerned.


Hope this helps.
 
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Bill Siler said:
Ok guys I bought some Extreme copper Plated bullets and am looking for some info on powder starting points for 9mm.

I have bought a pound of BE 86 but can’t find any info for this powder and these Bullet.

Called Extreme and they said to use the Speers book under TMJ loads all I could find was 124 gr bullets.

I’m not opposed to buying different powder I just want to make sure I have a safe starting point.

I have the Hornady and Lyman’s manuals and nothing in them as well.

Just want to make sure I am safe.

Thanks. Bill
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I have shot thousands of the Extreme 124 gr bullets under 3.8 gr of Red Dot
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/be-86-in-9mm.791073/
 
Dudedog said:
The 147gr laods were a little on the light side to make 125 PF.
Alliant lists a MAX of 4.7gr of BE86 with a Federal 147 in 9mm
(guessing 4.2 of 4.3 to make 125 PF with the Xtreme 147)

Xtreme 147 RN S+B SP Mixed range brass 5" 9mm 1911'
Charges as thrown after setting measure

String: 2
Date: 3/26/2017
Time: 11:10:35 AM
Grains: 147
Hi Vel: 791
Low Vel: 774
Ave Vel: 783
Ext Spread: 17
Std Dev: 7
XTreme 147 1.16 OAl 3.7. BE86
Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
775 113.925 196.03
787 115.689 202.148
788 115.836 202.662
791 116.277 204.208
774 113.778 195.524


String: 5
Date: 3/26/2017
Time: 11:41:22 AM
Grains: 147
Hi Vel: 848
Low Vel: 810
Ave Vel: 830.4
Ext Spread: 38
Std Dev: 14
XTreme 147 1.16 OAl 4.0 BE86
Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
826 121.422 222.76
810 119.07 214.136
835 122.745 227.558
833 122.451 226.469
848 124.656 234.699

RMR 124gr Plated RN
String: 3
Date: 3/31/2017
Time: 3:10:32 PM
Grains: 124
Hi Vel: 976
Low Vel: 957
Ave Vel: 966
Ext Spread: 19
Std Dev: 7
RMR 124 1.12 OAL BE86 4.5gr
Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
973 120.652 260.645
957 118.668 252.143
962 119.288 254.785
976 121.024 262.254
965 119.66 256.376


RMR 124gr Plated RN - Charge ladder
S+B SP Mixed range brass 5" 9mm 1911'
Charges as thrown after setting measure
String: 1
Date: 3/31/2017
Time: 3:12:00 PM
Grains: 124
Hi Vel: 1032
Low Vel: 995
Ave Vel: 1013
Ext Spread: 37
Std Dev: 15
RMR 124 1.12 OAL BE86 4.7gr
Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
1023 126.852 288.121
1032 127.968 293.213
1016 125.984 284.191
1001 124.124 275.862
995 123.38 272.565

String: 3
Date: 3/31/2017
Time: 3:14:34 PM
Grains: 124
Hi Vel: 1070
Low Vel: 1045
Ave Vel: 1054
Ext Spread: 25
Std Dev: 10
RMR 124 1.12 OAL BE86 4.9gr
Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
1070 132.68 315.203
1051 130.324 304.109
1048 129.952 302.375
1059 131.316 308.756
1045 129.58 300.646

String: 4
Date: 3/31/2017
Time: 3:15:43 PM
Grains: 124
Hi Vel: 1112
Low Vel: 1080
Ave Vel: 1093
Ext Spread: 32
Std Dev: 12
RMR 124 1.12 OAL BE86 5.1 gr
Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
1112 137.888 340.434
1099 136.276 332.521
1089 135.036 326.497
1088 134.912 325.898
1080 133.92 321.123

String: 5
Date: 3/31/2017
Time: 3:17:17 PM
Grains: 124
Hi Vel: 1135
Low Vel: 1087
Ave Vel: 1115
Ext Spread: 48
Std Dev: 17
RMR 124 1.12 OAL BE86 5.3 gr
Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
1135 140.74 354.662
1117 138.508 343.502
1118 138.632 344.118
1087 134.788 325.299
1120 138.88 345.35

String: 6
Date: 3/31/2017
Time: 3:18:05 PM
Grains: 124
Hi Vel: 1180
Low Vel: 1143
Ave Vel: 1158
Ext Spread: 37
Std Dev: 14
RMR 124 1.12 OAL BE86 5.5 gr
Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
1180 146.32 383.343
1163 144.212 372.377
1160 143.84 370.458
1143 141.732 359.68
1146 142.104 361.57

RMR 124gr Plated RN - 2 different OALs
S+B SP Mixed range brass 5" 9mm 1911'
Charges as thrown after setting measure
String: 5
Date: 3/31/2017
Time: 2:59:36 PM
Grains: 124
Hi Vel: 1015
Low Vel: 977
Ave Vel: 998
Ext Spread: 38
Std Dev: 14
RMR 124 RN 4.5 BE86 1.09 OAL
Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
1005 124.62 278.071
1015 125.86 283.632
1000 124 275.311
977 121.148 262.792
995 123.38 272.565

String: 4
Date: 3/31/2017
Time: 2:57:54 PM
Grains: 124
Hi Vel: 991
Low Vel: 958
Ave Vel: 975
Ext Spread: 33
Std Dev: 15
RMR 124 RN 4.5 BE86 1.11 OAL
Velocity Power Factor Ft/Lbs
982 121.768 265.489
991 122.884 270.378
961 119.164 254.255
986 122.264 267.656
958 118.792 252.67

Alliant List MAX of 5.8 BE86 with a 124 FMJ 1.12 5.8gr BE86 as the MAX

Hope this helps.
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This helps a lot thanks for everything’s
 
Getting data from the net.

Getting data from the web can be a crap shoot. Dudedog is a very competent and safe reloader, but like with all reloading data, start low and work up. I would trust his data from being familiar with his reloading from reading so many posts, but never start at the top, and always verify. Like the old saying goes, trust, but verify. With X-Treme plated we must use the advise given on their website, advise given by those who have already experimented, and the little bit of data out there using their bullets, but mostly we have to be confident with what we load in our own minds, because we alone take the risk.

Just your friendly neighborhood safety announcement for the day. :)
 
never start at the top, and always verify.
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Excellent advise.

General rule is if no start charge is listed back off 10% to get a start charge.
Always work up to MAX charges, what is a listed MAX may be over what is the MAX that is safe in your firearm, all guns are different. Throw in different primers/brass/bullets and MAX will will vary.
You are not using Western Powder but if you check there site you can see how different bullets or different OALs can effect the MAX charge. (they list quite a few bullets in 9mm)
As Walkalong mentioned always verify, I have been know to make a typo every now and then. Always try to check my numbers, but I am getting blind and senile my old age:) (58:eek:)
 
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Yep I have taken everything that has been given to me here printed it out and checking it with the books I have and the websites for the powder manufacture. Trying to get a good understanding of what is a safe load for what I have.

I’ll have many more questions for you guys before I load my first rounds trust me.

And thanks for all the advice guys
 
Bill Siler said:
My gun will shoot 1.154 as this is what the Maytech I’ve been shooting comes out at.
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You know what your gun will shoot with THOSE BULLETS. Every new bullet needs a new plunk test/OAL. They all have different ogives. You can't work up a load with one type of bullet and then use that OAL for every other type of bullet.
 
1KPerDay said:
You know what your gun will shoot with THOSE BULLETS. Every new bullet needs a new plunk test/OAL. They all have different ogives. You can't work up a load with one type of bullet and then use that OAL for every other type of bullet.
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I will always do a plunk test as I do know every bullet is different.

What I meant by my statement was that my gun is cycling a 1.154 bullet now in Maytech. I know after hours or reading that different bullet type (profiles) will require different OAL numbers.

I do understand that the OAL for the Maytech has nothing to do with other bullets etc and I think I understood this when I posted this but not sure :) it’s been a long road and a lot of reading.

So thanks for pointing this out as I’m just trying to make my first rounds work without any problems. Have had the press for I think three weeks and not one round has come out of it complete. Resized the brass removed the old primers set all the dies up and run a dummy load no primer or powder. Wanting to make sure I understand every steep as I go.

Now reading a new book Things They Don’t Tell You About Reloading a lot of nice info in this book as well. I think before the end of the 2018 season I’ll be ready haha.
 
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