F-1 AR 10 and AR 15 All Bling or Best?

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Recently F 1 has come to my attention and they certainly are pretty.
so I’m wondering if they’re more Bling Or if there the best ARs on the planet?

i’ve read some reviews and honestly they are quite mixed.

I’m actually not a big AR fan because I find them finicky especially AR 10s.
I love 308 and have semi automatic platforms in many styles but I’ve sold all my AR tens except one and I’ve sold off all my A.R. 15‘s
I have tended to opt for more reliable IWI products like Tavor Galil and love the low maintenance Saiga 308 that eats steel and earthworms without complaints. Also have FNAR that It’s super accurate and reliable.

so really two questions here
1 about F-1 and where they stack up amongst the top notch AR tens and A.R. 15‘s
2 is there an A.R. 10 out there that is not an Ammo picky jam o matic?
I know I cannot feed an A.R. 10 steel case and do not ever intend to but even with brass amno
Every A.R. 10 I have ever shot tends to have failures to eject or other jam issues that I have never ever not even once experienced with any of the above firearms I own
 
Larue and LMT make AR10's that will run fine.

BCM, Larue, LMT, JP, and Colt make AR15's that'll run.

If I use a Larue barrel, gas block, and barrel nut, I can build any 5.56 AR15 perfectly reliable with my eyes blindfolded, and drunk.

Other AR's and calibers take more patience. Your experience was likely cheap AR's or tolerance stacking of odd parts.
 
And yet even my top of the line factory Adam Arms AR 10 jams occasionally
I would not call it a jam o matic though.But it is way more picky on ammo and maintenance than any of my other semi automatic 308.

There seems to be something inherent about 76 2 x 51 308 AR tens that makes them in inherently likely to jam

do 556 AARs have less issues with failures to extract and jams then 308‘s
I have had somewhat less issues with them but still do not care for them compared to a Tavor
 
Huntolive said:
There seems to be something inherent about 76 2 x 51 308 AR tens that makes them in inherently likely to jam
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it's pretty simple, imho. there's no standard.
KAC makes the SR25 which is proprietary, but has been military issue for decades as the mk11mod0 and m110. But the SR25 is priced out of reach for most people, and is thus, fairly scarce.
Armalite made the AR10, but they made it proprietary and goofy, so nobody uses anything from it but the name.
DPMS made a very cheap 308 "large frame" AR in a way that everyone could make parts for easily. So their pattern became a de facto standard.

fast forward 10-20 years and you still don't have a standard. you just have lots of people making parts and hoping they fit. while there are a few mil standards for the AR15 (i.e. "mil-spec") hardly anyone uses them so they're pretty much in the same boat. There are two differences though: 1, the community went through a purge where everyone demanded a bit higher quality stuff with respect to some important parts, and 2, the scale of production for AR15s is at least an order of magnitude higher than for 308 ARs.

that said, if you bought a complete gun from one company and it doesn't work, it's nobody's fault but adam arms. tell them to fix their crap.
 
Huntolive said:
And yet even my top of the line factory Adam Arms AR 10 jams occasionally
I would not call it a jam o matic though.But it is way more picky on ammo and maintenance than any of my other semi automatic 308.

There seems to be something inherent about 76 2 x 51 308 AR tens that makes them in inherently likely to jam

do 556 AARs have less issues with failures to extract and jams then 308‘s
I have had somewhat less issues with them but still do not care for them compared to a Tavor
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I would not consider Adams Arms to be top of the line. I had one and it was the single most unreliable semi-auto 308 I have ever owned. If you really want a more reliable 308 AR it’s time to stop up to Falkor, LMT, Larue, Wilson Combat or Nemo. You could even step down to a Palmetto State Rifle and likely get more reliability than the Adams. That was my experience at least.
 
A couple red flags for me.

1. I can't find their website. Only on Facebook and Instagram.

2. They are famous for esthetics, not for high quality/reliability/durability. Not saying that they aren't those things, but that's not the market they are advertising to.

3. The description on their rifles are very generic and has little detail. From my experience that is not a good thing. Usually companies that are known for using high quality parts and have strict standards, advertise that.

4. Related to #3..... I want at least somewhat of a spec sheet on the rifle.
 
Hard pass on F-1. You'd be better served with a more established manufacturer and also better served for resale if you so decide in the future.

As for AR10, I'd take a hard look at the Sig 716i Tread rifles. Established company with a good track record, good customer service, and also the Indian military just adopted the Sig 716i as their new service rifle. If I were in the market for an AR10, that's probably what I would buy.
 
marksman13 said:
I would not consider Adams Arms to be top of the line. I had one and it was the single most unreliable semi-auto 308 I have ever owned. If you really want a more reliable 308 AR it’s time to stop up to Falkor, LMT, Larue, Wilson Combat or Nemo. You could even step down to a Palmetto State Rifle and likely get more reliability than the Adams. That was my experience at least.
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I never said Adams Arms was top of the line I just said I had a top-of-the line Adams Arms and the Adams arms is a good rifle far far better than a Palmetto State Palmetto State AR tens are a joke.
I just said the Adams arms jams occasionally when not given proper maintenance or fed straight diet of quality brass Ammo.
I will check out what LMT has the Sig and the CZ bren

I believe that the 556 AR‘s are much more reliable than any A.R. 10 on average
but anyone who actually believes an A.R. 10 or A.R. 15 is anywhere near as reliable as a Tavor or AK
Has lost their damn mind :rofl:
 
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second post this week saying AR's are finicky.

If your AR's finicky, don't buy absolute junk (and I have two M&A's)
or don't bolt crap on that doesn't work.

Go to a car forum and say "I bought a Windsor 302 intake for my Small block 350... piece of crap didn't fit, but the welder took care of that... but it doesn't run right" and everyone will ask What???
But in the AR world its totally reusable.

Anyway... my $600 PA10 eats steel. No issue.
.308 steel is not under pressure like 5.56 was. No rifle should have real problems with it.
I can't speak to high end, but if the cheapest AR10 type on the market can do it, and can do about 700 rounds without issue, including 220 rounds of Tula, and a good number of reloads on those cases (what I have in it.... really who shoots .308 in great quanity?) with no meaningful wear, I don't see why a higher end brand can't. But again, don't buy junk. Don't buy a name... unless its a VERY GOOD name, LMT... BCM, Larue come to mind. PSA has some propriety, and that is a problem.
 
Huntolive said:
but anyone who actually believes an A.R. 10 or A.R. 15 is anywhere near as reliable as a Tavor or AK
Has lost their damn mind :rofl:
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Guess I should go find my mind. It’s probably left with one of those M4’s spread across the globe. Maybe in the hands of one of the Taliban that changed out his AK for one, thanks to Joe.

But in all seriousness. AR’s in both 10 and 15 are simplistic gas systems that one would do great to understand, as problems can be easily solved when knowledge is applied, regardless of manufacturer. If one doesn’t want to spend the time or effort learning then what @Zerodefect said below is a great list of reputable manufacturers.


Zerodefect said:
Larue and LMT make AR10's that will run fine.

BCM, Larue, LMT, JP, and Colt make AR15's that'll run.
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I would think that after 45 years and more than 7 million M16/M4's being used, that their reliability was firmly established. More nations adopt them than Tavors, and they have their explicitly tested standards and conditions to back up their decision.
 
While I agree the AK is a more overall reliable rifle, the AR family is pretty darn reliable. Ive seen AKs malfunction on more than a few occasions. It is a very reliable rifle but it isnt an unstoppable machine.

If you are having reliability issues with your AR15 there is something wrong with your rifle. Military Arms Channel has an ongoing test where they are shooting a BCM rifle without cleaning or lubricating it to see how far is goes until it stops working. I believe they are at around 7000 rounds without a malfunction.
 
Huntolive said:
I never said Adams Arms was top of the line I just said I had a top-of-the line Adams Arms and the Adams arms is a good rifle far far better than a Palmetto State Palmetto State AR tens are a joke.
I just said the Adams arms jams occasionally why not given proper maintenance or fed straight tired of quality brass Ammo.
I will check out what LMT has the Sig and the CZ bren

I believe that the 556 AR‘s are much more reliable than any A.R. 10 on average
but anyone who actually believes an A.R. 10 or A.R. 15 is anywhere near as reliable as a Tavor or AK
Has lost their damn mind :rofl:
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Na. I’ll take a Palmetto over AA any day of the week. The one PSA I had in 6.5 Creedmoor was a sub-MOA rifle out to 800 yards and never had a malfunction, so it sounds like that joke of a rifle was better than either of our Adams rifles. And call me crazy, but I’ve had much more experiences with AKs failing than ARs. Never messed with a Tavor because I detest bullpups, so I’ll take your word that they are reliable.

You came looking for advice on reliable 308 ARs because you aren’t satisfied with your Adams Arms. I related my personal experience. My Falkor has been 100% reliable. It is more accurate than most bolt guns. The rifle I built with mostly Wilson Combat parts has been 100% reliable and extremely accurate. My POF Revolution has been 100% reliable and is roughly a 1 MOA rifle with ammo it likes. My POF Rogue has had some teething issues and is on par with the Revolution in terms of accuracy. I’ve spent some time behind both Larue and LWRC 308 and both were 100% reliable and accurate with the Larue being noticeably more accurate. LMT has a solid reputation, but I’ve only put a few rounds through an LMT in 308 and can’t give an honest opinion about how it stacks up to the others mentioned.

F-1 might be great. Might be like Black Rain and be geared towards folks whom prefer aesthetics over performance. Can’t be much worse than Adams Arms though.
 
F-1 builds sweet looking rifles, and in general, they run as reliably as most. It’s pretty hard to mess up an AR-15.

Personally, I won’t own a skeletonized upper or lower after having an OOB and multiple case ruptures and seeing the carnage after OOB’s/ruptures by others... a receiver doesn’t have to contain the blast, just direct it somewhere safely. When gas blasted my face instead of my thigh because it vented through the sides of the receiver instead of down the magwell, I swore off skeletonized receivers forever. I like my eyes too much, and I acknowledge I might not always have SG’s on when shooting.

Matt at Demolition Ranch on YouTube has been one of the biggest advertisers for F1. Rainier Arms HQ here in Wichita, KS has a relatively big line up of F1 stuff, and they sell well, so there are a lot around here. They run fine.

Not best. But not really “all bling” in the sense they just look good but don’t run. They run. Unsafely, but they run.
 
I think the whole AK’s are inaccurate and AR’s are unreliable thing is overblown.

Honestly, a well made example of either type should serve most anyone very well.

As to F1, I honestly can’t say. But I tend to agree with Varminterror about skeletonized receivers.
 
I expect abuse when criticizing the ubiquitous and beloved AR cult.
Just realize guys That there Are better more reliable and equally accurate options out there for 556 and Certainly for 308 then the AR platform.


My question was Actually about a specific model AR 10
The F-1
Thanks for the opinions and insight on safety factors of skeletonized.
 
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