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From the Arizona Star (http://www.azstarnet.com/star/today/31009FAKECOPS.html):

Fake cops stopping, terrifying motorists

Shots fired, but no one hurt in incidents around Tucson

By L. Anne Newell
ARIZONA DAILY STAR

Men impersonating law enforcement officers have pulled over at least three people since mid-September, shooting at one driver and forcing another to run into the desert at gunpoint, officials said Wednesday.

No one was injured in the incidents, and authorities believe all three were committed by the same two men, using fake police lights to pull drivers to the side of the road. Officials put out information on the incidents to warn the public.

"Obviously, they're still out there," said Marana police Sgt. Tim Brunenkant, whose agency recorded one of the incidents. "We don't know what their motive is, if it's drug-related or if it's something just to strike fear in people."

He and Deputy Dawn Barkman, a spokeswoman for the Pima County Sheriff's Department, which recorded the other two incidents, urged drivers to be cautious if they're pulled over by unmarked
vehicles. That is especially important if the people who get out of the vehicles aren't wearing law
enforcement uniforms, as was the case with the men in the September incidents.

"Ask for identification and badge numbers," Brunenkant said. "Most traffic stops are legit and the police officers are the police officers, but if something doesn't seem right, ask for their identification and badge number. If it's in a remote area, pull over to a lighted area or a populated area for safety."

The Sheriff's Department incidents occurred Sept. 19 between 9 and 11 p.m., near the Arizona 83 turnoff from Interstate 10, midway between Tucson and Benson, Barkman said.

In the first, she said, a small white pickup truck with white strobe lights in the front window pulled over two men. As they approached, the driver noticed one of the men was carrying a handgun.

The passenger noted that they couldn't be officers due to their clothing: One was in jeans and a white shirt while the other wore dark clothing.

The men drove away and reported the incident soon after.

But shortly afterward, Barkman said, the phony officers apparently struck again.

A man in another vehicle reported a white SUV with red and blue lights in the front tried to stop his vehicle, but he didn't pull over immediately, Barkman said. So someone in the SUV shot out the right rear tire of his vehicle, forcing him to pull over, she said. The fake officers then approached the driver's door, forced him out at gunpoint and ordered him to run into the desert.

The fake officers then left the victim's vehicle by the side of the road and left.

Marana police recorded a similar incident at 9:45 p.m. Sept. 25, Brunenkant said.

He said a family was driving west on Interstate 10 near Avra Valley Road when they saw a white pickup with strobe lights in the grille come up behind them. The family stopped, he said, and two men approached.

One of the men tried to open the passenger door, Brunenkant said, but it was locked. The other opened the driver's door and pointed a handgun at the driver.

The driver pushed up the man's arm and he fired in the air. Brunenkant said the driver stepped on the gas and began driving away, but one of the fake officers shot his tire.

The family continued, driving on the rim to the next exit, where they left the highway and called police, he said.

While the incidents are unusual, they're not unheard of.

In 2001, local authorities said they were investigating at least six incidents of fake officers in the previous 16 months. The cases all involve unmarked cars, most with flashing grille lights and sirens and fake officers who had badges and wore shirts that said "FBI."

In one of the cases, a man told police he'd picked up three hitchhikers and was stopped by a light blue Ford Crown Victoria with blue and red flashing lights and a siren. The men stole the vehicle with the hitchhikers inside, he told police.

In another incident, a man told officials four men in camouflage clothes carrying guns pulled him from his vehicle and beat him.

And, in another incident, a motorist said a man in a Chevrolet Caprice with a flashing blue light stopped him, hit him in the head with a handgun and took his car keys.

It was unclear if arrests were made in those cases.

Most agencies in the greater Tucson area have unmarked vehicles, authorities said, but officers inside will almost always be wearing uniforms. It's not typical protocol for a non-uniformed officer in an unmarked vehicle to make a traffic stop, partly because of the risk to the officer and the public, they said.

"I think absolutely people should consider this a dangerous situation," Barkman said. "The three incidents that occurred happened in September, but people should be aware."

Officials said anyone who is pulled over by a fake officer should call 911 as soon as possible. They asked anyone with information on the people from the September incidents, described as bilingual men in their mid-20s with heavy builds, to call 911 or 88-CRIME, the anonymous tip line of the Pima County Attorney's Office.
 
Most agencies in the greater Tucson area have unmarked vehicles, authorities said, but officers inside will almost always be wearing uniforms.
"Most" and "almost" being very very important words.

This has happened occaisionaly, over the years, in Phoenix and other areas.

If law abiding driver tries to go to not near lighted area, real cop could well think "fleeing". But if they stop and tis bogus cop, theft, rape etc.

Really bad situation.
Rare, but happens often enough to give one pause.

Kinda like a no knock....is it real or is it memorex.
React one way and likely dead.
React another way and maby dead.

Sucks.

Sam
 
Agree with Sam.
We had a "blue light rapist", pulling women over with a blue light. We also use marked and unmarked vehicles. Cause some tension. Statement made if blue lights appear to flash ones's lights to "officer" to acknowledge, drive to a lighted public place.

Still tensions and ladies with attitude to not stop, be out alone, and officers afraid a motorist, especially lady would show gun before license.

Even later required officers to be in uniform, though in unmarked vehicle...ladies afraid them could be fake too..."by the time he gets close enough for me to see badge/ID, I"m already in prey distance"...young lady made a good point IMO
 
Little off topic, but related...

How about a quick situational awareness quiz.
Officials said anyone who is pulled over by a fake officer should call 911 as soon as possible.
How many of us pay enough attention to the mile markers , when driving on the highway, to call 911 and give a really accurate location. I know that until I came to work at the Sheriff's Office, I didn't...
 
C.R.Sam: You're right on the money. While I live in Mesa (a suburb of Phoenix), I used to live in the middle of nowhere. A couple miles outside of Tonopah, if that means anything to you. I'm reluctant to stop for an unmarked car, lights or no. If the person who gets out isn't in uniform, I'll run. If they try to stop me, they will die. I'd rather go to court for killing a cop than get killed or kidnapped. Especially if my wife (or kids when we have 'em) are present. IMO, if a cop is stupid and arrogant enough to try to pull someone over in an unmarked car while out of uniform, they deserve what they get.
 
LEOs need to be on these criminals as fast and hard as if they'd shot a cop.

Serious question: from re1973, we have
Statement made if blue lights appear to flash ones's lights to "officer" to acknowledge, drive to a lighted public place.
Out in the middle of nowhere, what's the policy if you try to pull someone over and they attempt to continue, within the speed limit, to the closest town, gas station or other such inhabited place? Is it feasible everywhere for someone who's afraid of criminals impersonating LE to try such a thing? Please tell me that it's understood by LE all over the country. With a cell phone, a person can call 911 and ask if it's real, but without one, what's the best course of action?
 
I will never stop for an unmarked car again.

One night I did not stop right away for a police officer in an unmarked car, he was pissed. I could honestly not tell if he was a cop or not for the five minutes he was following me. There were no colored lights except on the review visor that were so dim I could not see them over the headlights that he cept switching from low to high beam. Then he turned on a spot light on the side of his car. So I took the chance and pulled over. I thought one of us was going to end up dead, and I was ready to fly away on my bike if a cop didn't step out of the car. I found out I had a broken taillight that went out during that ride.
 
If a uniformed officer in a vehicle clearly identifiable as a police car wants me to pull over, I will comply - promptly.

If some unknown man in an unmarked car tries the same, I will NOT pull over - period. If it's unmarked, THERE'S NO WAY TO KNOW IT'S REALLY A POLICE OFFICER!

And flashing lights behind the grill are NOT conclusive ID!
 
Florida had that sort of problem, back some 40+ years ago. Plainclothes deputies in unmarked cars; and a few fakes.

One night a coed from FSU was driving a bit too fast on her way back to campus from her home town. An unmarked car tried to get her to pull over. She'd heard about fakes, so really jumped on the gas pedal. Unfortunately, she wrecked. In the hospital, before she died, she told her story.

Her father was (IIRC) a state senator. The laws were promptly changed such that one need only stop for a uniformed officer in a marked car.

I won't stop for an unmarked car unless I do see a uniformed officer inside. Even then, I'm a bit nervous, and prepared for some hardcore defensive driving...After over 20 years of racing cars, my notion of "hardcore" might well be different from other folks.

:), Art
 
Some cops don't like it when you won't yield to unmarked vehicles.

That's what court hearings are for. Mine is next month.
 
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http://www.azstarnet.com/star/thu/31009FAKECOPS.html

FYI:
The "today" in the original post URL has been changed to "thu" (Thursday).

We (VA) had a couple events re fake police, but they soon rounded up the culprits.

I do have a problem with umarked cars, though... you never know (even though most I've seen have half a dozen antennas hanging on them and uniforms driving. We lost an officer in Va. Beach this summer while stopping a speeder - turns out BG and friend just held up a convenience store (early AM). Big shoot-out leaving officer and BG down hard. Passerby called it in - stopping to attempt rendering aid. Happened just a week or two after Norfolk lost a female officer in shoot-out. Been a mess this summer.

Still - gotta be careful out there, for sure.

-Andy
 
Once upon a time, patrol cars were marked; detectives' cars were often unmarked for the same reasons as having detectives wear plain clothes. Police departments found out that they could catch a lot of speeders and other violators by patrolling in unmarked cars, and so now we have a lot of them. Criminals then realized that unmarked cars were easy to fake with just a set of blue lights, either stolen or improvised, and so now we have "impersonation stops" by criminals who car-jack, rape and murder. These have occurred in several parts of the country, including where I live.

When some of those crimes happened here, the police departments in Raleigh and Durham advised motorists to proceed to the next well-lighted, inhabited place if they were "unsure about" a flashing blue light behind them. A reasonable person knows that (a) a flashing blue light in the rear-view mirror, at night, is probably attached to a police car, but also that (b) if it's not, the consequences can be devastating. {previous sentence edited for clarity by Happy Bob}

Devonai, you might think about taking some of those crime reports along with you when you go to court. Note that I am not a lawyer, police officer, judge, paralegal nor Massachusetts resident. Therefore, treating my comments as advice could get you fined, imprisoned {Bart Simpson voice}"or even deported." Good luck.
 
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If they try to stop me, they will die. I'd rather go to court for killing a cop than get killed or kidnapped.

Even the infamous Rodney King was aquitted of resisiting arrest because he almost ran over two plain clothes cops. I think the jury did the right thing - he was necking with his girlboy friend, and two guys in street clothes start to close in waving guns. He floored it and nearly nailed them. IIRC, marked units were called in and pulled him over.


There's no way to know...
 
Fake Cops...Not just for motorists.

I just remembered something that happened to me, has happpened to others. Its 2:00 a. m. and the alarm calls and informs you your business alarm is going off and cops have been called.

Always , Always Always call the alarm company back and confirm that in fact they called you. Alway make sure they called Uniformed officers in at least one marked car. I had a pre--arranged passwords I changed often, to verify I had been called. Same for in the event some rugrat of an employee pushed the silent alarm. If called the password dictated if all clear, or I'm being held at gunpoint. So was the sequence of numbers I pressed on keypad.

I sleepily left one night arrived to vicinity of business and no alarm going off, two guys in a car "waiting on someone to arrive"...I kept going, went to popo station and these fellow got a visit...yep unhonorable intentions.

See they got Alarm co name from sticker on window, had a bud of thier in another popo dept run my tags ...I also changed tags often, never home # on business card, unlisted phone...
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Art- My Captain buddy was doing undercover, unmarked vehicle being a ten year old p/u , that had been overhauled and tricked out. He saw me on the freeway and decided to have fun and give chase...we always kidded each other...well a bit later the two of have been pulled over by a rookie officer giving us the riot act for doing up to 110 in 55...rookie surprised when the grungy dude (captain) said call so and so in the dept... and well me...story was I was helping him...checking out the unopened portion of freeway. ;) Whew close one. Never seen a grungy undercover cop get saluted before .:p

I think the "hard left to evade " I did "might" have attracted attention, powerslide, U turn, hit the unopen freeway and hope like heck I make it to the exit where I knew a firestation was...of course my bud is keeping up me. Then they opened the darn freeway ,spoiled my fun.
 
Hmmmm
Tis night
Road has no lights.

I get lit up from behind.
How do I tell if car marked or unmarked.??
Can't see the following car through the lights.
Do I have a light out ?
Or does Bubba want my life, car or ?

Sam
 
C.R.Sam wrote
I get lit up from behind.
How do I tell if car marked or unmarked.??
Can't see the following car through the lights.

Quite the problem, especially if you don't know the area. I'd recommend driving safely and slowly while calling 911 to confirm if it's one of the po-boys or a BG. And if you don't have a cell? I honestly don't know. Scary
 
Sam,
Captain buddy knew it was me, just wanted to see if his lesson about not stopping had stuck, we had discussed this because of what I "did" at the time. Oh the evasive measures and such, Lesson / teachings had, he hadn't figured on me being so "assertive". Later he asked, why I pulled the U turn, I explained quickest way to get back in lighted area, with safety, meaning the fire station...and laying on my horn. Figured the rookie cop in marked unit and uniform more safe...I drew attention, en route to plan A.

My attitude then and now, gonna keep going, till I feel I'm safe. I'll explain to judge and jury if need. Beats waking up dead and trying to explain that to myself.
 
If you are not sure it's an Officer following you and you don't have a cell phone continue on to a well lit or populated area (gas station/mall). Do not speed up or extinguish your lights. These are not "good faith" efforts. Just drive normally to a safe area. The good news is the likelyhood of you being stopped by a fake cop is less than the chance of winning the Powerball jackpot. When this happens (as in the news article) it tends to be locally isolated and 1 or 2 perps doing it. They will hopefully get caught soon and be given a new state provided residence. :cool:
 
If you do not stop right away be ready to be arrested. I have known a few car nut guys from bbs that have had that happen when either it was an unmarked or a marked car that was not directly behind them but wanted them to stop anyway. :banghead:
 
Around here, not unusual to be 40 miles from a "well lit" area and common to be out of cell phone op area.

And....odds of bogus cop a lot likelier than hitten the powerball.

Hazzard lights and just motor on for a while I guess...and hope that if a real cop, he doesn't get impatient.

Sam
 
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