Fatwa against Osama Bin Laden

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Wow, this is great.

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'We are going to issue a fatwa (religious decree) against Bin Laden this afternoon,' Mansour Escudero, who leads the Federation of Islamic religious entities (Feeri) and co-secretary general of the Spanish governmenmt-created Commission told AFP.
The Commission invited Spanish-based imams to condemn terrorism at Friday prayers, when the whole country will be remembering the 191 people who were killed in the train blasts and the 1,900 injured a year ago.​

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You know, LOTS of us oh here have been calling on the Muslim community to say exactly this kind of thing. Better late than never. I say we put this up on a sticky for a while so people don't miss. Hey, give credit where credit's due. I, personally, was very happy to see this.

I figure we as a country owe him (Escudero) some protection too so that he can keep up the good work.
 
I'm going to find me a Haitian gri-gri man to put some sorta thing on Bin Laden. Every little bit helps. :p
 
I wish some groups in America would do this, since our government actually fights Al-Queda. But it is a good thing, just does not happen often enough. And when it does it doesn't get enough attention.

And sure he made himself a target for assassination, so did Bush and so does anyone else who disagrees with Osama. I don't see what matters about that, it takes courage to stand up and make a declaration such as that.
 
Great Courage by a Muslim Leader

I have to say, given the risk to his life as a result, this Muslim leader is acting with great courage and out in the open where the world press - and Osama - can see it.

I hope this is the beginning of a trend, where every Muslim religious lealder who issues such a Fatwa challenges other religious leaders to step up to the plate and do the same thing.
 
The Commission has also drawn up a document designed to 'thank the Spanish people and the government for their attitude towards Muslims' since last March 11, in particular for not taking 'disproportionate' measures similar to those which the Sept 11 attacks sparked in the US.
Yeah, sorry about all this 'freedom' stuff. Our bad. Guess the millions of muslims we've freed and given a voice in the directions of their own lives was all just a big 'overreaction'.

Tell you what, lets compare how many Muslims Spain and it's 'islamic commission' has freed from oppression vs. how many people the US has freed. Hell, just the US Military, even.

Issue your worthless 'fatwa' and then in the same breath claim the moral high ground over those doing the actual fighting and dying.

Whatever. I guess Europeans just can't help themselves. "We'll issue a fatwa against bin Laden, but we'll also issue this statement to show that we haven't forgotten who the real enemy is...the US" Maybe if you went out and showed a couple people your 'fatwa' they'd tell bin Laden that his luck has run out. I mean, it's a fatwa! He's got to be pissing himself right now in fear...

- Gabe
 
Hmmm..a fatwa decree against Osama? About time some in the Muslim Community spoke up on this.




///Wise N. Hiemer mode on

I still have some distant relatives down in the bayous near Slidell, LA. How about an old style swamp-witch voodoo hex, too?
 
I heard this on the radio this morning, with the comment that it was the FIRST recognized Muslim cleric to issue a statement AGAINST Osama.

Let's see......Osama issues his fatwah calling on all Muslims to kill all Americans where ever and whenever they can back in 1998.

Seven short years later (after African embassy bombings, USS Cole, 9-11, War in Afghanistan, War in Iraq, Zarqawi head choppings, Madrid train bombings, Bali disco bombing, numerous bombings in the Philippines, Beslan school massacre, and all those other bloody deeds I'm leaving out for brevity's sake) the FIRST legitimate Muslim cleric issues the FIRST official religious condemnation of Osama.

Hey, for a movement and ideology that's stuck in about the year 1100, I'd say seven years is lightning quick for the issuance of this fatwah.

hillbilly
 
Wait, any moment now somebody is going to link to an old topic full of dead links and equivocal "terrorism is bad, sorta, unless it kills Jews or something" statements by assorted Muslim organizations, and pooh-pooh the myopic cynicism of the various posters here.

:evil:
 
Yeah, color me unimpressed with the 'courage' of the Muslim community and it's leaders.

- Gabe
 
This is only one aspect of the Spaniards suddenly getting a big hard whack with the Clue Batâ„¢. A wider reading in the news turns up stories where Spanish intelligence, along with some French operatives, have established that Spain was a hotbed of al Qaeda activity well before the Iraq war, due to what was described as a "porous border to the South." Well, DUH!

Before this, received opinion in Spain and elsewhere in EUtopia was that Spanish participation in the Iraq occupation precipitated the train bombing at Madrid Atocha.

I, too take some heart at the fatwa issued by Spanish Muslim clerics. As I far as I know, this is unprecedented. Most rhetoric from Muslims since 9/11 has been, to only cite the best cases, equivocal. I have been waiting very patiently, along with what I know must be a great multitude of non-Muslims, for the self-proclaimed "moderate majority" to denounce the Islamofascists. This would include not only al-Qaeda and the older terror organizations, such as Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and Hezbollah, but the entire Wahabbist sect. We must take some blame in this last case. Wahabbism is the spiritual and ideological core of Islamofascism, and the U.S. refuses to condemn it and their headquarters nation, because that happens to be in Saudi Arabia, and we can't endanger our 87 octane drug of choice. A lot of these things are virtually ignored by the media, such as the fact that the demonstrations by Hezbollah in Lebanon are portrayed as those of a somehow independent organization, while Hezbollah is and has always beenn nothing more than a creature of the Syrian government, another part of the swamp that's due for some serious draining.
 
One Muslim in Spain issues a fatwa and I am supposed to ignore the millions of voices of Muslim silence? What is he going to do about it? Get his government to go to arms? No, Spain has already surrendered.

Color me, unimpressed.
 
It might just be one, but it represents an interesting step in a culture where believers are supposed to band together against nonbelievers. Here, we have a religious figure stating that another Muslim is violating Allah's law, and may be held accountable.
 
That color's already taken, sherm. You're going to have to pick another one. :)

- Gabe
 
It might just be one, but it represents an interesting step...
With the sheer number of Muslims on this planet, the fact that it has taken this long for a single cleric to step up to the plate is beyond belief. Just by pure probability there should have been at least one, somewhere, who had a genetic defect or something that caused him to speak out against the terrorists at some point.

Until this becomes some kind of recognizable 'movement', it's just the exception that proves the rule.

And their incredibly insulting and ignorant swipe at us is enough for me to tell them to take a hike. Good luck on your own, buds. I'm sure Al Qaeda is quaking in their boots over this.

- Gabe
 
Hey, would Art's Grammaw approve of color-based discrimination?
Gabe: "That color's already taken, sherm. You're going to have to pick another one."
After all, dis iz 'Merica, an' dere's plenny uv room in any color fur alla-us'ns.

Color me impressed only in contrast to the deafening silence from not only the rest of the Islam world, but also the US media, politicians, world leaders, and the Vast Left-Wing ConspiracyTM, (c).
 
The Muslims don't band together, they massacre each other with constant, unending violence; Shiite, Baathist, Sunni they all hate each other. The fact that out of all these separate Muslim groups in hundreds of countries only one has spoken out against OBL?

Color me, underwhelmed.
 
Underwhelming or not, it sounds like a small step in the right direction. Think of it as a vehemently anti-gun socialist admitting that some guns aren't bad.
 
Think of it as a vehemently anti-gun socialist admitting that some guns aren't bad.

Sort of like John Fraud Kerry deciding that we the people might be allowed to own one $15,000 Italian O/U shot gun for sporting clays only?

Color me, cynical.
 
Well, OK, I guess it is a good thing...as far as it goes.

I too find it not all that impressive when compared to the millions that have said nothing.
It seems like most groups, religious or whatever, would want to do something about one of their own that is bringing fear, disgrace, and even hatred on the group. But, that's just me.
 
The fact that this is the the FIRST (and thus far ONLY) public religious indictment of Osama from the Muslim community is somewhat unsettling. How many times have we heard that the Islamic community at large has no love for Osama and supports the U.S. in it's fight against terrorism. The silence of their religious leaders would seem to belie that notion.

To draw a nice parrallel look at how many Christian religious leaders publicly speak out against white supremesists and other person's of hate who victimize people of another faith or culture. Certainly every religion has it's extremists and it's wackos but by and large they are quite over balanced by others who are truley people of virtue that despise such violence. So why is it that there seem to be so few of these people amoung the Islamic religious leadership?

Certainly there are ample decent, honest, and peacefull Muslims out there. So why don't they seem to have a voice within the leadership? And why arent they doing more to change that?
 
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