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FBI demands Las Vegas Hotel guest lists

Discussion in 'Legal' started by jimpeel, Jan 5, 2004.

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  1. jimpeel

    jimpeel Member

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    Further on this

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  3. Lone_Gunman

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    Patriot Act in action, its all totally legal now.
     
  4. TheOtherOne

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    But it makes us safer. :barf:

    A terrorist will always use his real name when checking into a hotel. It's in their handbook.
     
  5. Baba Louie

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    And I'm quite certain that the "Carlos T. Jackel's" of the world would travel under their real names as opposed to a nom de plume complete with quality passport, photo ID and necessary credit check update...
    Or that they wouldn't just fly into San Diego or Burbank and make the drive up I-15...
    Just more files for their computer system to sift through. We only get about 22 million people coming through McCarran annually nowadays.
    Gonna have to do something about that interstate tho... maybe a checkpoint when entering the state at Primm, manned by Dept of Homeland Security/INS.
    Yeah, thats the ticket. I mean, who would complain about that? Its for your own safety?
    Liberty? Freedom?
    "Hey! We never hasseled anybody".
    Plus the fact that its a good exercise for future, er, ah, endeavours.

    "I've got this Idea Mrs. President. You've had experience with Travel Office types:uhoh: Let's make all airline travel ticket purchases run through our government computers... We can stop anybody we need to by flagging their ticket on our computer and we can also hook into the Hotel reservation systems, or credit card companies. I mean, its for the children, who's gonna complain?"
    "That way we can nail those nasty terrorists every time"
    "By the way, the Senators from New York and California want to expand the definition of terrorist a little bit"...
    Whaddya think? Patriot Act III?
    (OK, I'll take my tin-foil hat off now... back to your regular scheduled programming)
     
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    Good thing I always go by "Mr. Smith and nieces".:D
     
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    ...and isn't this the proper process?

    Why only one?

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    Allen Marcus...that's close enough to abdullah mohammed, let's subpoena the whole damn bunch!
     
  9. buzz_knox

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    Or maybe they actually had an alias they were looking for? Nah, it couldn't be that they were following up on a lead or anything . . . just like they've been doing in normal criminal investigations for several decades now.
     
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    Remember this one? Anyone here named David Nelson?I wonder how many David Nelsons were on the lists. Sounds like a Middle Eastern name to me.

    I've even had a David Nelson stay here at the motel. When I showed him the article on the feds harrassing anyone with his name, he was mildly amused.

    El Tejon
    So that was you ... :D
     
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    Maybe they're afraid of a drunken terrorist shooting up one of the casinos' walk-in freezers. It's happened, before, you know.
     
  12. jimpeel

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    DJJ

    That would be the Jihad Bikers from Hell, I assume? :D
     
  13. Jeff White

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    jimpeel,
    If the fibbies show up at your motel and demand the records, will you surrender them? Have you already secured a lawyer to fight it?

    I don't agree with this any more then you do, but out of all the regulars here, you are the guy most likely to have to deal with this particular ourage.

    Jeff
     
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    I will NOT surrender any files to them without a subpoena -- and I don't mean the "friendly" kind.

    I have a responsibility to safeguard the people who come here with a reasonable expectation of privacy. If they want to do a fishing trip, they will have to do it elsewhere. Unless they can give me a search warrant for specific people or records, they get bupkis from me.

    I do, however, have a corporate office that I have to deal with and they may do a squat-n-pee end run around me. In that case, there is nothing I will be able to do but stand there and glower.

    Thanks for the thought.
     
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    Addenda to my previous post

    I asked the Corporate off ice what would be the response to an FBI "request" for records and she said "Kiss my a--". No warrant or subpoena; no files. Period.

    She said that they had tried this before on a couple of occasions but were told they would have to produce paper or go home wanting.
     
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    :fire: :cuss: :fire: :cuss: :fire: :cuss: :fire: :cuss: <------ responsible citizens
     
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    Seems as if the chickens have come home to roost, in this case, the "chickens" being the overly broad powers that our "congress critters", without so much as the proverbial by your leave, have heaped on the FBI.

    Strikes me that, at this point in time, reasonable assumptions to draw are the following.

    1. That our congress critters, very badly, need to go back to square one, in the process, taking a very cold, hard look at what the blazes they are doing/have done.

    2. That the above mentioned congress critters, badly need to start asking serious questions of Dept. of Justice, and what appear more and more like run away goon squads, that operate uder it's ageis.

    3. This FBI must be made to realize that such things as The Fourth Amendment were meant to serve as restrictions on the antics of such mobs as it seemingly has turned out to be. If compelling the above realization requires the rolling of heads, so be it, and the head of The Director could well be as good a place to start as any other.

    4. At the risk of being terribly old fashioned, every member of the Congress (House and Senate) was sworn to support, uphold and defend The Constitution. Essentially, it strikes me that that is what they are paid to do. When are they going to start earning their pay? Re The Constitution, and allegation to the effect that particular actions are violative thereof, it has been said in defense of government actions that "the constitution is not a suicide pact". To an extent, that might be true, however this admonition cannot defend what appears to be the shredding of constitutional guarantees, everytime some burecrat chooses to raise the cry of Homeland Security or National Security, for if that becomes the accepted norm, then we might just as well tear up The Constitution. Speaking personally, I would rather not see that take place.
     
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    I'd speculate that the Fibbies might have hinted something to the effect that a "patriotic American loving Casino Owner who wanted to keep his gaming license and the IRS off his back would be wise to"... to which the patriotic american loving casino owner said, "you know, it really would be a good idea if we ran a list of all our guests and players by you guys to see if any, you know, bad guy types might be planning to, you know, drop some skunk scent in the crowd"...

    Substitute Airline Owner with Casino Owner, gaming license with whatever license airlines need and FAA with IRS in the above sentence and well, its mere speculation on my part, of course...

    But then again, seriously, (and I mean it) if doing this type of police work 2 years 4 months ago would have stopped 4 jihad crews (before the fact) on Sept 10 or 11th 2001, we'd still be railing against the agencies today for violating the 4 jihad crews constitutional rights since we'd then never have seen 3,000+ people die, two towers collapse, the Pentagon sliced open, a hole in a pasture in PA...

    Da*ned if ya do, da*ned if ya don't.
    The bad thing is I suspect it'll get worse before it gets better... we'll never go back to earlier days...
    and the Constitution?
    Whats that?
    Its what SCOTUS says it is. (Read Animal Farm one more time, read it to your kids or grandkids)
     
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    Baba Louie:

    I suspect it's likely that the verbal picture of the Fan Belt Inspectors in operation that you drew, might be closer to the truth than some, perhaps many would imagine.

    Having said that, I wonder as to exactly where it all stops. Casino owners yesterday, the owners of an airline today, tomorrow the guy that runs the corner news stand, followed by the proprietor of the corner gin mill, and on it goes, till where it stops, nobody knows.

    As you said, the country, as we knew it, is gone. Does that mean that the dirtbag terrorists won, or does that mean that the dirtbag statists won. Either way, John Q. Public, law abiding citizen has lost,, or so it appears.
    What might be really interesting to speculate on is the following. What might happen when the poor bastard wakes up to what has been going on, to what has happened to "his" country?

    Andendum

    As noted by another poster, No doubt, Carlos always registers into hotels, when on the road, under his own name, with his own passport or other forms of "documents". When that "polite" request for Papers PLease becomes common, Carlos will always have the proper documents, or at least what appear to be the above mentioned. John Q. Public, not being the sharpest pencil in the box, might well not be so equipped, at any given moment. Sort of awkward for him, no?

    By the way, re what happened 2 years and 4 months ago, I strongly suspect that ARMED PILOTS might have been a whole lot more valuable than "this sort of police work", but given that we shall never know about that, it's all speculation, isn't it?
     
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    When people come in to register, I ask for their drivers license so I can get the address info for the registration card. I don't do this for anyone but myself.

    When we first started managing the motel, we had people fill out the registration card by hand and then transposed the info into the database. In too many cases I would have to ask them what they wrote and, of course, every time I did that I was, in essence, saying "Your handwriting sucks".

    So I started getting the info from the DL and all the problems went away because the computer generates the registration card.

    I have had a couple of people in here who didn't like being in our computer. I had to explain to them that the computer is a stand-alone unit and not tied into any network and that the number of files in the database is quite small, by today's standards, so the files fall out the back end after about four months.

    Then I get those who are bothered by the fact that their info is no longer in the database because they were here nine months ago.

    Can't please them all.
     
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