FBI: New York safest big city in 2005

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I have to admit, I was suprised that LA and NY were considered two of the safest. With Houston being in a pro-gun state, I thought that it would be a bit better off than it is - maybe some of its problems were caused by the influx of Katrina regugees?

Overall, I wonder how crime in CCW states compared to crime in anti states. Stuff to consider...........



FBI: New York safest big city in 2005

New York remained the safest of the nation's 10 largest cities in 2005, with about one crime reported for every 37 people, according to FBI statistics.

The annual report "shows that our innovative efforts to reduce crime and increase New Yorkers' quality of life are working," Mayor Michael Bloomberg said in a statement Monday after the agency released the figures.

The large city with the highest total crime rate was Dallas, with about one crime reported for every 12 people. Los Angeles, the nation's second largest city, ranked third safest, with about one crime for every 26 people.

San Jose took the No. 2 spot, while San Diego ranked fourth. Chicago, Philadelphia, Houston, San Antonio and then Phoenix followed.

The number of reported crimes in New York fell 4.3 percent last year, while the number nationwide dropped 1.2 percent. Police statistics show crime in the city has continued to fall this year, down 5.04 percent by Sept. 10 compared with the same period in 2005.

The national figures showed that violent crime rose 2.3 percent last year, the first increase since 2001. But in New York City, violent crimes — which include murder, rape, robbery and aggravated assault — fell 1.9 percent.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060919/ap_on_re_us/brf_safest_cities
 
i dont care what they say, LA is a very dangerous violent town (lived there for 4 years not too long ago). Carjackings, drive by's, etc are quite common place.
 
So did they take into consideration the greater surrounding areas of each city or just the city proper?
 
NY's alright, if you like saxophone's!

native nu yawka here, don't believe that stat for a NY minute!
Tha last time I was there I was chatting with a girl on the street
and a nutcase came up and punched me in the throat.

I got the police on him and they stopped him and he claimed
I was panhandling (as if thats a perfectly legal thing to do, punching someone
who is asking for change)
A cop turns to me and says "I see you out here all the time asking for change"
So I pull 200$ from my pocket and a ticket from the plane that just landed
me in JFK and tell the cop I've been out west for 5 years and can prove it.
They then tell me "were busy" and that "no crime has been committed anyway and get lost"

THAT'S why crime in NY is way down!!! the cops will not take a report or investigate if they can get away with it (& they're experts at getting away with stuff like that)**********************************


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New York's alright if you like drunks in your doorway
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Houston? Geez, in Houston you HAVE to have a gun to fend off all the bandits and pirates. Yes I exaggerate, but in no way am I surprised Houston is not a safe city.
 
BS

These stats always talk about "rates" of crime.

That way cities like NYC can use their 8 million residents to dilute the true crime figures.
A person seeing the stats gets lulled into thinking that "it won't happen to me due to sheer numbers."

In NYC, the population density is something like 27000 people per square mile.
(stats from http://www.nycvisit.com/content/index.cfm?pagePkey=57 . .. 8 million people in 300 square miles )

27 murders per year per square mile = 1/1000 murder rate.

One murder in a town of 999 = "higher murder rate than NYC." :rolleyes:

Would you feel better knowing that one person is killed in your neighborhood every two weeks vs. one a year?
What do you say to that?
 
New York remained the safest of the nation's 10 largest cities in 2005, with about one crime reported for every 37 people, according to FBI statistics.
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Would anyone care to guess what the total number of unreported crimes are, in N.Y.C? I'm willing to bet that a lot of crime in the big cities goes unreported.
 
I'd rather hear repeats

I'd rather hear repeats of crimes. How many of the previously convicted show right back up in court on a later date? Hmmm.

Doc2005
 
These stats always talk about "rates" of crime.

That way cities like NYC can use their 8 million residents to dilute the true crime figures.
A person seeing the stats gets lulled into thinking that "it won't happen to me due to sheer numbers."

In NYC, the population density is something like 27000 people per square mile.
(stats from http://www.nycvisit.com/content/index.cfm?pagePkey=57 . .. 8 million people in 300 square miles )

27 murders per year per square mile = 1/1000 murder rate.

One murder in a town of 999 = "higher murder rate than NYC."

Would you feel better knowing that one person is killed in your neighborhood every two weeks vs. one a year?
What do you say to that?
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Yeah... thats how "crime rates" work. By the numbers, you are equally at risk or equally safe in both those hypothetical places.

"Per capita" is what determines how statistically likely the average member of the population is to have xxxx crime happen to them.

Whether the crimes are getting reported at equal rates is a whole other discussion.
 
It is a marketing scheme report. Yes it may be the city you are least likely to be a victim of a crime in. But what kind of crime? You may be more likely to have your car broken into when your in Detroit but your more likely to be shot and murdered in NYC. It really depends on what kind of crime is more likely.

I am studying to be a sociologist myself and always feel that you have to look deepr in these reports. I suspect that a lot of the FBI reports are not very clear and lacking in their depth.

And unreported crimes are hard to guess but you can do so many surveys to make a more educated guess.
 
Meh, I lived in NYC for 18 years and I can tell you that most crimes go unreported. Unless it is a murder or a high dollar robbery or a rape, they tell you that they wont even look at it. They basically just toss it on the pile and forget about it. That isnt to say they do much of a job on the serious crimes. Most of those get a cursory examination (unless the case makes the news) and then forget about it. A huge percentage of NYC crimes never even get partly solved. Good luck if your car gets stolen or your house gets broken into- the cops just laugh.

In all fairness, crime is way down since the mid-late 90s. In the 70s and 80s, it was a madhouse.

Also, isnt Houston playing host to a whole pile of Katrina refugees? I would imagine that NOLAs crime figures must be bottoming out quite nicely.
 
Beerslurpy is probably correct. I know that in some parts of Chicago the police are to busy to take a report about a car breakin or other things.

The thing is that NYC and most of these big cities are very anti gun. There are a few exceptions but those are mostly likely not allowed to be due to the states preemption. Either way it is frustrating to hear from the cops that we cannot help you and that you are not allowed to help yourselves.
 
Also, isnt Houston playing host to a whole pile of Katrina refugees? I would imagine that NOLAs crime figures must be bottoming out quite nicely.
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Houston wasn't much to boast about before Katrina either and I wasn't even in the BAD side of town :what: .
 
crime rate

I lived in NYC back in the 70's for about 6 months, near 11th and 51st what a dump I wanna puke when i see the ads with Pataki boasting about NYC/NY state BTW crime in New Orleans is out of control cops can't keep up with the murders(mostly drug related) assaults and the rest think I read it on one of the blogs not long ago but can't remember.:cuss:
 
Houston has a chronic problem with understaffed police force. The influx of refugees with no jobs simply expanded a growing problem.

I would also bet that more small crimes are reported in Houston. I simply cannot imagine the police telling someone to go away and there not being a stink over it.

Yes, the administration in Houston is somewhat liberal and has been for some times. Without state preemption, they would probably try to restrict firearms.


On those statistics, I would like to see some percentages of what type of crimes are reported compared to the whole for each city. That would tell us a lot about whether the statistics are valid.
 
As a New Yorker I feel that it is generally a safe city especially compared to 15 years ago. However we live in a city with random bag searches, cops w/ AR-15s patrolling high tourist (not high crime) areas and so forth.

New York has become a sterile homogenized city that has lost a lot of what made it great. Working class folks are priced out of Manhattan and cops are concerned more about stats than people.

There is a huge amount of underreporting of crime, not by people but by the police. I went with a friend to the local precinct to report her car being broken into. She lost about $3000 worth of her store stock. When I saw a copy of the report they listed a smaller amount for the property so that they could write it off as a misdemeanor instead of a felony. They were worried about keeping their felonies down and could care less about my friends theft.

I also saw a fight that involved a knife that should have been written up as felony assault but was written up as disorderly conduct.

This kind of stuff happens all the time. The only time they can't do this is when there's a dead body.
 
in new york, most crimes go unreported due to the pop density and sheer anonymity.

They won't catch the perp, they can't catch the perp, unless you need a police report for insurance purpouses or they have to file a GSW report, all the cops will do is eat up most of your day.

I didn't report the theft of my laptop, I had bought it used and didn't have the serial number written down, so what is the point? Whining doesn't solve anything.

When it came to street crime, attempted robbery, etc. I took care of my own problems. I'd rather have my wallet and some scuffs and scrapes, than no wallet and a ruined evening with perfectly manicured hands.
 
Prey animals exist in herds and multitudes to offset their inevitable losses to predators. When one is dragged down and eaten, the others don't look at it with remorse or any actions of retribution. They just continue on their way as if it won't happen to them if they stay in the herd.

I guess that's the mindset of people in such areas.

That's the most basic and profound argument I finally use against unrelenting blissninnies.
"You, by your own choice, are prey. I am not. You hope that you will not be the one eaten, that it will happen to another member of the herd, but if caught, you would be at the mercy of your predator, having no defense. And you are the someone else to everyone else. I am different. I would rather fight back."
 
NYPD's interesting reporting methods are probably the reason for their low crime rate.

I know exactly what the folks in Houston are talking about though. NV consistently ranks up there for crime but forget that Las Vegas alone gets almost 38 million visitors a year. Thats on top of a permanent population of over 1.5million and a total of almost 2.5 million in Clark County (which LVMPD patrols as well)
Luckily, the folks in Houston will one day be rid of most of the New Orleans refugees. Sadly, Las Vegas will always be a home to transients.
 
I have to laugh at this.
Yeah, under Guiliani the crime rate went down. But safest city?

I bet there's still "eight million stories in the Naked City."

Figures lie and liars figure.

And even with this good news....Boob-berg is still on a rampage about guns.....:rolleyes:
 
Tecumseh,

I often appreciate the intelligence and common sense of your posts. However, I would like you to re-read your post quoted below, and tell me if I misunderstood.
Beerslurpy is probably correct. I know that in some parts of Chicago the police are to busy to take a report about a car breakin or other things.

The thing is that NYC and most of these big cities are very anti gun. There are a few exceptions but those are mostly likely not allowed to be due to the states preemption. Either way it is frustrating to hear from the cops that we cannot help you and that you are not allowed to help yourselves.
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From this post, and your previous post, it sounds as if you point out that non-violent property crimes often go unreported. But the reference to gun laws in this post seems to insinuate that if a NY resident was allowed to be armed, it would reduce these non-violent property crimes.

Are you endorsing using a firearm to prevent property crime?

Really?

Just curious.
 
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