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Violent crime up for 1st time in 5 years - NRA blamed (duplicate threads merged)

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  1. brufener

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    Just saw this:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060612/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/fbi_violent_crime

    I really don't like how this criminologist blames the NRA and guns in general for the rise in violent crime.

    I do think it is funny that Illinois is one of the states that is listed as being "three times worse than the other regions." As I understand it, Illinois' gun laws are pretty strict.

    The bad news (in a way) is that New York's violent crime is down. Bloomberg will be sure to take credit for that, no doubt declaring that it is due to his har stance on guns.

    Anyone want to take a guess on why violent crime went up?

    Any other comments?
     
  2. mbs357

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    "Crime is up! It must be the NRA!!"
    "What'd they do?"
    "I DUNNO!"
    Really, what do they think the NRA did to cause crime to go up???
     
  3. bg

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    Professor equates crime with the NRA ?

    How can this "learned" fellow compare a crime increase
    with renewed NRA strength ? What has an increase in the
    NRA's membership have to do with crime ?
    http://www.yahoo.com/s/135783/*http.../20060612/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/fbi_violent_crime

     
  4. Desertdog

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    The question that come to my mind is; Do they count a person that is killed by an intended victim in self-defense or by a cop in a shoot out as murder ?
     
  5. Halffast

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    It would be interesting to see the numbers broken down by legal/illegal residents.
     
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    ^^^

    Seconded. I was going to suggest that maybe the rising illegals count had something to do with it.
     
  7. boofus

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    Crime in Houston was on the downturn until our chocolate city guests showed up.

    Homicides shot up +25% after Nagin's constituents started squatting here. And I'll bet not a one was a NRA member. Liberals of all types are the real criminal enablers. The Nagin voters, the race pimps, the Tookie Williams quadruple murder Peace Prizers, the Michael Dukakises of the world are the real root source.
     
  8. JesseJames

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    Uh, one of the more inane comments I've heard from academics.

    Demagogue blockhead. :rolleyes:
     
  9. WhoKnowsWho

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    Maybe it is because of CSI type shows and people thinking they can get away with it. :D
     
  10. DonP

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    Guilt by association

    The professor is using an old trick.

    List a single provable fact, then include several opinions in the same sentence or paragraph and hope that most readers will not read the passage too analytically.

    He could have just as easily said that murders are up and ...

    "the number of children born to unwed mothers has risen ..."
    "membership in the Democrat party has increased ..."
    "more walleye have been caught in lake Kabetegoma..."

    His objective, and a not too subtle one it is either, is to link the NRA with violent crime in some ignorant people's minds. The sad part is it will probably work for most media types that couldn't have passed a statistics, logic or an ethics class if their life depended on it.
     
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    Well, if you're interested in letting him know your opinion, here is his contact information, straight from the website of Northeastern University, Boston, Mass:
     
  12. boofus

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    I equate professors with serial murderers.

    That looney tunes professor in ********** wanted to give Tookie Williams a nobel peace prize for his 4 gruesome murders. Therefore all professors must be enablers of serial killers.
     
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    Maryland spent a couple of million dollars on that "ballistic fingerprint database" which did no good at all; that money would have funded at least twelve full-time highway patrol officers (full wages, training, benefits, etc). In that case, gun control diverted funds away from putting cops on the streets.

    And sales and numbers of guns in private hands spread during all the years of the decline in crime rates in the 1990s. If there has been a change in the last year, it should not be blamed on the spread of guns.
     
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    how would the figures look if illegal aliens,both perps and victims are subtracted?
     
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    It is counted as a homocide.
     
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    There was also this from Drudge that actually originated at Breitbart:

    http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/06/12/D8I6MG9G1.html

    In addition to information about the uptick in crime stats in some areas it contained this atatment:

    So now the NRA is singled out for blame in increased crime. Absolutley amazing!

    S-
     
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    > Professor equates crime with the NRA ?
     
  19. Phetro

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    Yeah, but he'd be more accurate if he said that--at least in his second assumed cause...after all, criminals are usually democrats!
     
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    I'm sure the increase is due to the 5000 people killed by drug dealer bayonet charges since the expiration of the AWB... :rolleyes:
     
  21. Heywood Case

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    My first thought was that the quote was out of context and the reference to NRA was to indicate that the organization's renewed strength was a response to rising crime, not a cause of it. Then I read some of the columns on his web site, like this one: http://www.jfox.neu.edu/herald gun.htm. And he writes statistics textbooks too!

    John
     
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    I want to know how many of those murderers/rapists/whatevers are even NRA members. How can it be the NRA's fault if the people aren't even members of it?
     
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    The article says the "the NRA has renewed strength", but doesn't say how that relates to the rise in crime. It is like saying that "10 people comitted suicide yesterday, the same day that meatloaf was served in the cafeteria." It might be a coinicedence, but there is not evidence of a correlation.

    The "criminologist" in this article makes 2 assumptions as to the cause of the rise in violence. The first is that the lack of funding for LE angencies has reduced the level of enforcment/prevention. The second is that the NRA has something to do with the proliferation of weapons used in crimes.

    The first assumption has a bit of reasoning behind it, obviously an under-funded police force is less effective than a well-funded one. The second assumption is purely political BS. The use of a gun in a crime goes against every tennent of responsible gun ownership that the NRA teaches.

    I won't even begin to mention the unproven correlation between legal civilan gun ownership and the level of violent crime. To think that so-called "educated" people can peddle this hogwash :barf:
     
  24. RaetherEnt

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    My opinion? I think the increase in violent crimes nationwide has a lot to do with the growing problem of methamphetamines nationwide. Those people are CRAZY. Unfortunately, I only think it is going to get worse before it gets better.

    All the more reason for the rest of us law-abiding folk to be able to carry to protect ourselves.
     
  25. Zundfolge

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    I have a theory.


    New Orleans was a hell hole before Katrina (very high crime rate) ... Katrina caused the mass evacuation of the citizens of New Orleans (a much higher percentage of them are criminals than the rest of the country). NOLA also has a very corrupt/inept police department so its crime rate was likely grossly under-reported.

    New Orleans crime problem just got spread around the rest of the country (where its getting honestly reported).


    I believe the increase in home invasions here in Colorado Springs was the fault of a couple of NOLA "refugees".
     
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