FBI says it has files on advocacy groups

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FBI says it has files on advocacy groups
Organizations say records will show misuse of terror task forces

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The FBI has thousands of pages of records in its files relating to the monitoring of civil rights, environmental and similar advocacy groups, the Justice Department has acknowledged.

The organizations, including the American Civil Liberties Union and Greenpeace, are suing for the release of the documents. The organizations contend that the material will show that they have been subjected to scrutiny by FBI task forces set up to combat terrorism.

The FBI has identified 1,173 pages related to the ACLU and 2,383 pages about Greenpeace, but it needs at least until February to process the ACLU files and until June to review the Greenpeace documents, the government said in a filing in U.S. District Court in Washington.

The FBI has not said specifically what those pages contain. The ACLU's executive director, Anthony Romero, said the disclosure indicates that the FBI is monitoring organizations that are engaging in lawful conduct.

"I know for an absolute fact that we have not been involved in anything related to promoting terrorism, and yet the government has collected almost 1,200 pages on our activities," Romero said. "Why is the ACLU now the subject of scrutiny from the FBI?"

John Passacantando, Greenpeace's U.S. executive director, said his group is a forceful, but peaceful, critic of the Bush administration's war and environmental policies.

"This administration has a history of using its powers against its peaceful critics. If, in fact, the FBI has been deployed to help in that effort, that would be quite shocking," Passacantando said.

Justice Department and FBI spokesmen declined to comment, citing the ongoing case. The FBI has denied singling out individuals or groups for surveillance or investigation based solely on activities protected by the Constitution's guarantees of free speech.

Officials have said agents adhere strictly to Justice Department guidelines requiring evidence of criminal activity or indications that a person may know something about a crime.

The ACLU has sought FBI files on a range of individuals and groups interviewed, investigated or subjected to searches by the task forces. The requests also are for information on how the task forces are funded to determine if they are rewarded with government money by labeling high numbers of cases as related to terrorism.

The government did release one document it gathered on United for Peace and Justice that Romero said reinforces his concerns. The organization describes itself as a coalition of more than 1,300 anti-war groups.

A memo from September 4, 2003, about Internet sites that were promoting protests at the 2004 Republican National Convention in New York was addressed to counterterrorism units in Boston, Los Angeles and New York.

"Why is this being labeled as counterterrorism when it's nothing more protests at a political convention, a lawful First Amendment activity?" Romero asked.





http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/17/fbi.monitoring.ap/index.html
 
Lol, release files. Lol. Next they'll want them to tell them which people are espionageinserted, and which are snitches, and which questionable members are really agent provocateurs. Smoke some more reefer, hippies!
 
Smoke some more reefer, hippies!

Why do you want people to smoke Marajuana? Personally, I would like to see people be healthy, both physically and intellectually.
 
In other news, science has discovered water is wet.


As for the release of such documents by the FBI, FOIA covers it. Basically, the govt must hand over a copy of any document unless it fits a list of excemptions. (Classified, personal information, on-going investigation, etc etc etc) There are FOIA courts to decide what should be released, and what should not.
 
"Gathering information about" the activities of individuals and/or organizations is not the same as "acting against" them. If an individual or organization is performing activities that may be in violation of the law, or is associated with individuals or groups that might be in violation of the law, an investigation of that person or organization is nothing to be afraid of - it's establishing the facts. If no corroborating evidence turns up, the investigation is closed. If facts are found that tend to show the individual or group is acting illegally, then the matter is turned over to the courts. So, where's the beef?
 
Is the NRA (or other 2A groups) an "advocacy group" that needs watching? :scrutiny:

Or is it only hippies that are potential terrorists according the the FBI (and ATF?)... :what:
 
This isnt news. Just think back to the Hoover days.......

2,383 pages from an agency that requires a form in triplicate to gas a car aint much.
 
I would be pretty suprised if they didn't have similar data on some of the more serious gun-rights groups - JPFO, GOA, etc.
 
They probably have a THR file too. :D

Filed away under 'Right-wing militia gun nut activists', hehe.
 
Just maintaining a file on the ACLU isn’t enough IMO. They need to bust it up under RICO statutes and convene new HUAC hearings to shed the light of day on these cockroaches.
 
Yes, Neo-Conservatism at work.
Huh? The feds have long been collecting data on these groups and others even under the most liberal of administrations ... Kennedy, Johnson, Carter, Clinton ... Not that I'm a defender of the neo-cons, but hey, this type of activity didn't just start up under Pres. Bush ...
 
Yes, Neo-Conservatism at work
How soon we forget:
In June 1996, it was revealed that the White House had requested and obtained the FBI records on over 400 individuals without their permission. Other unconfirmed news reports now say that as many as 900 files might have been pulled. Many of those individuals were former employees during the previous Republican Administrations.
http://www.epic.org/privacy/databases/fbi/filegate/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filegate

Unless you're claiming the Clinton administration were also the dreaded dirty evil neocons?
 
"Is the NRA (or other 2A groups) an "advocacy group" that needs watching?"

The group itself? No. I would be surprised if there weren't some people who are among the millions of members of the NRA who are being watched.

Greenpeace has done some things to encourage illegal activity which does fit under some definition of terrorism.

That makes it likely that some of their members are being investigated or have been investigated.

The ACLU has been very supportive of terrorists' rights and have worked many times to weaken our ability to fight terrorists in the name of personal freedom. That's not illegal. However, when an organization overtly stands up for the rights of terrorists not to be inconvienced while they are incarcerated, while attacking the actions of Americans every chance they get, it's only reasonable to expect that the organization will attract some people who lend more tangible aid to terrorists.

Any sensible Judge should rule that these files should remain sealed, and that the government has the right to investigate when it has suspicion of criminal activity.
 
The ACLU has been very supportive of terrorists' rights and have worked many times to weaken our ability to fight terrorists in the name of personal freedom. That's not illegal. However, when an organization overtly stands up for the rights of terrorists not to be inconvienced while they are incarcerated, while attacking the actions of Americans every chance they get, it's only reasonable to expect that the organization will attract some people who lend more tangible aid to terrorists.
The idea of some federal agency looking over my shoulder while in the privacy of my own home pisses me off. The idea of speaking out and being placed on some kinda watch list for being passionate about my freedom pisses me off even more. :fire:

If I ever found out that this were true I would walk into the ACLU in manhattan and talk to their lawyers. In fact, I may just do that just to see what they think about me and THR in general.
 
I would be pretty suprised if they didn't have similar data on some of the more serious gun-rights groups - JPFO, GOA, etc.

Well, yeah, but what if Patty Hearst vanishes into thin air again, eh? The F., the B., and the I. need to be prepared for all eventualities.
 
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