FCG Question on AK Kit

[Keith1863]

Does anybody know if these kits contain a full auto FCG or a semi auto FCG?

i.e. Would I have to buy TAPCO FCG to build these as legal semi autos or are they sold with a semi auto FCG?

http://rapidfire.targetweb.net/cgi-...25971.12904*834WA5&p_id=02049&xm=on&ppinc=big

BTW I have the 7 US compliance parts (Stock 3 parts, Gas Piston 1 part, Magazine 3 parts = 7 US Made Parts)...so I am not looking to buy a US made FCG.

Thanks,
Newbie Who Is Thinking About Attempting An AK Build

 

[rcmodel]

I'm guessing FCG = fire control group?
To my knowledge, all de-milled surplus AK's come with the stock full auto select-fire trigger parts still in place.

So yes, you will need to buy a U. S. made semi-auto trigger set to include the hammer, trigger, and sear.

rcmodel

 

[nalioth]

While you can use the FCG parts that are included, complying with 922r almost necessitates the use of US made FCG parts.

 

[rcmodel]

I don't know how much store I'd be willing to put in magazine parts making me complient.

The first time you, someone else, or the ATF sticks a Commie mag in the gun, it becomes non-complient, and you are breaking a Federal Law. (Yes, I know what the law is, and that you can count mag parts if you want too.)

The other thing is, if you go with the U.S. trigger set, then you can use real surplus, cheap, AK mags that work right.

Instead of expensive U.S. made mags that may not.

rcmodel

 

[wdlsguy]

I would go with a U.S.-made receiver, fire control group (trigger, hammer and disconnector) and gas piston (since you already have it). Then I would choose between a U.S.-made muzzle attachment or pistol grip.

I wouldn't want a full-auto fire control group in a semi-auto rifle, in case it decided to go full-auto at the range one day...

The 16 countable parts of an AK rifle. No more than 10 of these parts may be imported.

(1) Receiver
(2) Barrel
(3) Trunnion
(4) Muzzle attachments(flash hiders, brakes, barrel extensions, barrel nuts)
(5) Bolt
(6) Bolt carrier
(7) Gas piston
(8) Trigger
(9) Hammer
(10) Disconnecter
(11) Buttstock
(12) Pistol grip
(13) Forearm handguards
(14) Magazine body
(15) Follower
(16) Floorplate

The underlined parts are the most commonly available U.S. manufactured parts.

On a typical stamped receiver rifle you need to replace 5 parts with no muzzle attachment and 6 parts with a muzzle attachment.

On a typical milled recevier rifle you need to replace 4 parts with no muzzle attachment and 5 parts with a muzzle attachment, because there isn't a barrel trunion, it is part of the receiver.

When building an AK pistol, these regulations do not apply. You can not have a stock or forward pistol grip on a pistol.

http://www.ar15.com/content/page.html?id=80

 

[nalioth]

I wouldn't want a full-auto fire control group in a semi-auto rifle, in case it decided to go full-auto at the range one day...

Why not? They are exactly the same as the US made Century FCGs.

There are a few other things that must be present to have a "full auto ak" (but i'm not going there), but just using the factory trigger group won't do it.


Look at all these legal SBR owners using the factory FCGs.

 

[wdlsguy]

The hammers and disconnectors are different. See k-var.com for examples of each.

 

[nalioth]

The hammers and disconnectors are different. See k-var.com for examples of each.

Century directly copied an Eastern European fire control group for its own use.

Yes, the G2 and K-var sets are different.

K-var and Tapco aren't Century.

You missed the point of all these SBR owners with the eastern european FCGs that come with the their kits, and they've had no malfunctions.

Unless you have other things going for you, a trigger/hammer/disconnector isn't gonna give you full auto, no matter where it was made.

 

[Jpowers]

I could be wrong, but I believe you aren't allowed any auto or select fire parts in a semi build. This was an issue with m16 bolts a few years ago.

 

[nalioth]

I could be wrong, but I believe you aren't allowed any auto or select fire parts in a semi build. This was an issue with m16 bolts a few years ago.

This has been discussed several times on multiple forums. It is perfectly legal to use your imported trigger/hammer/disconnecter so long as you comply with 922r. It is wasn't there'd be several thousand SBR/AK pistol builders in jail (as they don't have to comply with 922r).

1) A Kalashnikov isn't an AR.
2) How they 'go fast' is a whole different thing.
3) The trigger, hammer and disconnecter rely on other things to 'go fast' in a Kalashnikov. As I mentioned with the Century reference above, by themselves they are unable to make your AK 'go fast'.

 

[wdlsguy]

It is perfectly legal to use your imported trigger/hammer/disconnecter so long as you comply with 922r.

On the other hand,

...
Any weapon which shoots automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger meets the definition of a machinegun in section 5845(b) of the National Firearms Act (NFA). An AR-15 rifle, which is assembled with certain M-16 machinegun fire control components, and which is capable of shooting automatically is a machinegun as defined.
...
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs/usr/wbardwel/public/nfalist/atf_letter52.txt

For a recent example of how badly things can go for you if you use full-auto components in a semi-auto rifle, see US v. Olofson.

A semi-auto FCG is less than $45. That's what, 10 - 15 minutes of a defense attorney's time?

 

[nalioth]

So what happens when you use a Century FCG (which is made in the USA and counts toward 922r compliance) and your gun doubles and you are taken into the court system and they find the Century parts are identical to the originals?

If you're at your Class 3 buddies house and he gives you a Tapco set out of one of his papered AKs, can you use it in your semi-auto only AK?

Why not?


There is no difference. The "full auto parts" you keep referring to are not capable of being in the AK at any time (unless you are wanting a 10 year vacation).


To take this further, if the alphabet boys want you, they're gonna get you.

Look at the poor state trooper who called them because his factory Colt AR15 was doubling. They advised him to send it back to Colt, and made plans to intercept it and charge the state trooper with an "illegal machine gun".