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Federal’s 327 Magnum is a griz cartridge

Discussion in 'Handguns: Revolvers' started by jski, Sep 20, 2020.

  1. Vern Humphrey

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    Here's my choice from Buffalo Bore:

    HEAVY 45 COLT +P OUTDOORSMAN - 325 gr. L.B.T.-L.F.N. (1,325 fps/M.E. 1,267 ft. lbs.) 20 Round Box
     
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    With all the Grizzly Bear threads on the High Road, I am surprised the Grizzly is not extinct. Must be thousands of shooters hunting them down. Now going after them with just about any cartridge out there. Ole Mr. Griz does not have a chance.
     
  3. Frulk

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    I got that Jski. I was responding to the BB comment on their site stating the .327FM will penetrate a bears skull etc. Thats all fine and dandy if the bear is going to sit down and hold still and allow me to put the end of the barrel between its eyes. Just about EVERY center fire hand gun round made will be able to penetrate a bears skull. A totally impractical comment to put into advertisement without additional info to clarify that it shouldn’t be your first choice for said species. I bet it will penetrate a lions and buffalos skull as well. Doesn’t mean anyone should attempt it.
     
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    A feat Phil isn’t eager to repeat!
     
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    The big question is what Phil carries now when guiding?

    I bet he stepped down to 9mm because of the chances of coming across a bruin in his tenure has been small. Well this might have woke him up to the idea that his chances are better than he thought.

    I wouldn't be carrying a 9mm in the bush of Alaska guiding. Especially, while processing game in Grizzly country.
     
  8. Charlie Martinez

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    Like so many here I often wonder what it would be like to face a charging bear. From what I've read the most typical scenario is where the bear and the human surprise each other and the bear reacts by putting in an all out charge from a very short distance. I wonder how many of us would be quick enough to draw, aim & fire our gun accurately even once or twice before things got real ugly. Fort that reason I'm not too concerned about ammo capacity in a bear protection sidearm. My though is that if I were lucky enough to be able to put one or two shots into it before it reached me I would want those shots to be as effective as possible. If I went back into grizzly country (I hunted BC years ago but handguns were prohibited) I would pack my 44 Magnum or perhaps a 357 Magnum revolver loaded with the most powerful stuff I could find. Certainly 9mm or a 327 Magnum are better than many other handgun cartridges and certainly better than nothing but to me they lessen your chances for survival.
     
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    Indeed!
     
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    All I can say on the subject is that I will never be in griz country but if I were to be I would damn sure pack something with considerable more oomph than the 9mm or 327. I only have one life and I would prefer not to give to it a mad bear because I was stupid.
     
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  12. BigBlue 94

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    If an 8x57 can kill a full grown African elephant, a 22 pellet rifle can kill a grizzly. But dang you better shoot it through a nostril or something!

    The masses go from thinking 9mm is too small for human (10mm/40/45 LE duty) to thinking its adequate for an animal 10 times as massive... Funny/sad how the internet just runs with something.

    Im 32 and dont affiliate myself with any of those generational craps. I grew up playing video games and hunting, fishing, and general exploring. I prefer revolvers and levers. I drive a carbureted vehicle and still prefer to use a catalog made of paper. Age doesn't necessitate liking one thing over another. I carry a G20 in black bear country, but would certainly feel lacking in grizzly country. My first gun was a daisy red ryder, and lever actions are still near to my heart. The RR is in my gun safe next to a 20 cal. Benjamin.
     
  13. Buckeye63

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    Im a HUGE 357 mag fan .. the the 327 with full house in my LCR327 recoil is similar to my LCR357 loaded with 38+P ... and the LCR 327 is a 6 shot

    Now .. As mentioned the Im a HUGE 357 mag fan
    and I really like my Glock 20 .. With Underwood 10mm the 10mm is loaded like it should.. easily handles 200gr - 220gr bullets and has a .400 bullet dia
    To me its a step up from the 357 mag .. but definitely not a 41 mag
    But thats me ... and I actually like my Charter Arms revolver in 40 S&W with a 2.5 inch barrel over a 357 mag snubbie
    40 S&W 180gr HST out of a short barrel performs wonderfully... The 40 S&W is a heck of a SD round

    But saying that ..When this gun buying frenzy is over .. I will take up a collection and buy me a a Ruger GP100 in 10mm
     
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  14. Vern Humphrey

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    Me, I'll just load my Colt New Service .45 to around 21,000 PSI with a 255 grain cast bullet and hope for the best,
     
  15. Rex in OTZ

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    I have to work in bear country, work supplies firearms training, the firearm and we get refresher training on bear awareness and behaviour.
    Work furnishes 12 gauge slug guns.
    We have to be proficent in marksmanship order to go out on the tundra with a firearm.
    Pistols are allowed but must meet a minimum requirement of .44mag 300gr.
    I knew one coworker was allowed to pack a .454 Casull.
    His first time qualifying was a wash as he used up all his ammo as he had to shoot the same course as the shotgun shooters (timed event on moving target) he had a hard time hitting the target's vitals zone to qualify, we have to qualify using what we would use in the case of actually being attacked so we dont use lower power practice ammo so he couldnt qualify on the course firing .45 LC!
    We are only to use factory ammunition due liability/reliability.
    Many years ago one the old guys that worked there before I got there was the reason they changed the factory ammo rule, he had brought his favorite rifle and handload to work, Murphy was winging his way over our corner of Alaska when his rifle blew up.
    Today he is fine, has some awesome scars and false teeth.
    Full power .454 casull on moving targets (can only score in vitals area) is allot harder than it looks.
    Bears dont sit still like a bullseye target waiting to get shot, you have to practice on moving targets.
    Like the charging bear target.
    The vitals area on a charging brown bear bobbling around as it bounds twards you is pretty darn hard to hit.
    With a .32 youd have to have a clean shot to get past bones and sinue to stop a bear.
    A 12 gauge 1.1/8oz lead slug just bashes its way through bones and sinue into vitals like a D-9 crawler in your vegitable patch does some damage.

    Anybody can kill a bear with a .22 revolver if you gut shoot it, it might take a few days to happen.
    Will a .32 have enuf mass to smash through hide, muscle and heavy bone to reach vitals areas to shut down a pissed off grizzley?
    I heard first hand about the government ornitholigists in Yukon Delta that encountered a young grizz that was not scared off by non leathal deterants like cracker shell and beanbag round.
    It charged the crew and both 6 shot 12 gauges opened up on that bear.
    12 shots, 9 hits and only 3 enterd the vitals area, the State later examined the carcass, they noted the sabot 12 gauge rounds impacted vitals areas but sprued off course when hit heavy muscle and bone.
    They also noted the bear was starving.
    The take away was to use a different type shotgun slug.
    My friends in govt say shotguns are a pain to lug around but very easy to score hits on a charging bear without a ton of training that even a college grad student can hit a bear with a 12 gauge slug.

    Only one time in 18 years have I encountered a pissed off grizzley bear.
    Luckly I was in the boat with the gear and not on shore.
    That young male grizz followed along the river bank for over 3 miles wanting a piece of us.
    That would have been a very bad day if we ever stopped to cut wood on that side the river.

    Back in my aircraft mechanic days Id flown to Point Hope from Kotzebue to fix a plane.
    On trip back pilot spotted brown bears eating dead seals that washed up not far from Chariot Creek(*note Project Chariot).
    They spotted our cessna and took off accellerating up a 24° slope, due our slow ground speed that day we could watch two bears accelerate up one slope on what would have been a 3 mile long ravine, by their speed Im guessing it had to been 15-20 mph.
    Imaging gaining speed going up a 2 mile slope!

    In a relaxed state a bear can be hurt.
    Like the Alaskan that shot a young bear with a .38 special off his front steps.
    A adrenaline charged bear on the attack other hand is a totally different story.

    Can a .32 magnum revolver cartridge shut down a bear?
    Given your shot placement is good right off the bat, yes.
    A charging grizzlie bear hopped up on
    adrenaline?
    Shooting and hitting the a charging grizzly vitals?
    Well if you have nerves of steel and a clear shot the .327 on a charging brown bear could be like fly fishing version with a firearm, hooking a 11lb Arctic Char with a 3lb leader.
    That would be a bet the bookies would love.
     
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  16. Rex in OTZ

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    Ive studied a bear skull a co-worker had taken during a spring bear hunt.
    One the first things you note is the bear eyes are hanging out on the side's of the skull like fender mounted headlights on a 1930's international harvester pickup truck.
    images.jpeg.jpg TQ-361-Kodiak-Bear_2048x@2x.jpg

    The brainpan on a grizz is tucked in out of the way and when pressed would be hard to hit.
     
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    The great Grizzly debate. I used to spend a lot of time in Alaska fishing and after seeing those Bears in the wild no way I'm taking a .327 out there. I used a Benelli super 90 but still felt like it wasn't enough. The people that live there carry a very large caliber bolt gun with a shorter barrel.
     
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    Gimme a lever gun in 500sw for anywhere north of the 50th parallel... If im up there, where roads and people are scarce, I want a caliber I wont be second guessing. I've done some backpacking and know that every ounce counts, but what's an extra pound when it may be the difference between hiking back or getting a helicopter ride to the hopsicle. Or turning into grizzly poo...
     
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    I’ve spent time in Noatak. The .327 FM would be marginal on some of the dogs I’ve seen in that village. That’s big bear country. Further west and a little north of there is the coastal fishing village Kivalina.....where a lot of the world record polar bears were/are taken.
     
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    Only with handguns do we see this phenomenon. The wimpy Nazi metric crap round has eventually become grizzly capable, yet the 30-06 has gone from being dangerous game capable to barely scratching a bunnies butt. The 30-30 is a lost cause completely.

    Somehow pistol rounds are increasing in potential where rifle rounds are eroding in potential, at least in common knowledge whether it is true in the real world or not.
     
  22. Koroner

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    Ah yes, the griz.

    Once an ice climber in Alaska topped out on a waterfall only to come face to face with a brown bear. He killed it with a ice axe through the eye!

    If I went there I'm thinking Banshee in 10mm with a Glock 20 (they take the same mags) and Rem 1187 minimum.

    .327? Meh.
     
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    Seems like a hot little round for sure. I don't hunt grizzlies, but have have a few encounters with them. Never forget the first time seeing a grizzly in the wild. Was hiking in Yellowstone with my wife and daughters years ago. We'd hope to see a lot of animals and were not disappointed. Our first day there we came upon a very large male grizzly crossing the trail in a meadow about 75 yards in front of us. I was immediately taken back by two things. First, how large these things truly were, even at that distance it was huge! Second, how puny and insufficient my 629 and all our cans of bear spray seemed to be if he decided to come at us LOL! He payed us no mind and took his time ambling away. We were shaking so bad with excitement we were barely able to get any focused pictures and videos! To this day we all agree that was one of the mostly exhilarating and rewarding experiences we've had hiking. A true privilege to have seen such a majestic creature doing it's thing in the wild. That said, I certainly would prefer my 12 ga slug gun or large caliber pistol/revolver when venturing into a grizzly's home turf.

    Be well all
     
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    Lol 30-30 is much more prevalent now than the 22 sav HP. It will throw a 70gr bullet down range at 3100 fps. The 223 can only do that with a 60gr bullet. Of course the .228 sav bullet isnt exactly easy to come by... Ive always been a 22-250 fan too. But everyone has to have the latest rifle cartridge while the last pistol round to gain any permanent status was the 10mm. Even the 40 has dwindled in popularity
     
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