Federal 209A Shotshell Primer

[pcallahan1984]

I am new to shotgun reloading. However I do reload a lot 0f .45 ACP. I can not seem to get a direct answer on this one and I have called all the manufactures of all the components that make up the load I am trying to accomplish. The question is... Can a Federal 209A primer be substituted for a Winchester 209 or Remington 209P primer? Not much data out there supporting the Fed 209A. The load is for Winchester AA 2 3/4 hull with 1 1/8 #8 shot and a WAA12 wad for Trap. Standard stuff. Thanks.

 

[Gadawg88]

The standard answer is no. Follow the load data exactly is the mantra in shotshell reloading. The reality is it depends. All that being said, have you checked the powder manufacturer website for load data. For example, Alliant has loads with your hulls, wad, primer for a number of different powders like Red Dot, Promo, American select and Green Dot.

 

[Steve C]

When you load shotgun shells you follow the manuals exactly. Changes in any component can change the pressures significantly. Usually you can find the load for your components with different primers though you may have to adjust your powder charge or accept a slower or faster load than what you would get using the Winchester primer. If you cannot find data using your particular component mix with a particular powder DO NOT substitute primers unless it is listed as being OK in the load data publication.

Here is what the 2014 Alliant loading manual says about primers. I've made the pertinent information BOLD:

B. Primers
• CCI 109 and CCI 209 are ballistically identical and can be interchanged.
• CCI 209M (Magnum) is “hotter” and cannot be substituted for CCI 109 or 209. Use 209M only as listed.
• Rem. 209 is “hotter” and cannot be substituted for Rem. 97★ or Rem. 209P primer.
• Rem. 209P is interchangeable with Rem. 97★ primer.
• Federal 209A is “hotter” and cannot be substituted for Federal 209.

Apparently there is no acceptable substitute for Win 209's.

 

[rsrocket1]

For standard 1-1/8 oz loads, the primer energy makes a pretty big difference in the peak pressure. You need to follow a load manual's instructions (whether print or online) closely. When you get down to low weight loads (3/4 oz in 12 gauge) you will want the hottest primer available because low pressure is your enemy and 3/4 oz 12 gauge loads are notoriously low pressure.

Federal 209A's are the some of the hottest primers available so you must use them accordingly. Since I load 3/4 oz 12 gauge, Fed 209A's are my favorite primers.

 

[ArchAngelCD]

I am new to shotgun reloading. However I do reload a lot 0f .45 ACP. I can not seem to get a direct answer on this one and I have called all the manufactures of all the components that make up the load I am trying to accomplish. The question is... Can a Federal 209A primer be substituted for a Winchester 209 or Remington 209P primer? Not much data out there supporting the Fed 209A. The load is for Winchester AA 2 3/4 hull with 1 1/8 #8 shot and a WAA12 wad for Trap. Standard stuff. Thanks.

Welcome to the forum...

There is a lot of load data using the Federal 209A primer on the Hodgdon load data site.
http://www.hodgdonreloading.com/data/shotgun