Federal agents visit student for requesting library book

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Agents' visit chills UMass Dartmouth senior
By AARON NICODEMUS, Standard-Times staff writer

NEW BEDFORD -- A senior at UMass Dartmouth was visited by federal agents two months ago, after he requested a copy of Mao Tse-Tung's tome on Communism called "The Little Red Book."
Two history professors at UMass Dartmouth, Brian Glyn Williams and Robert Pontbriand, said the student told them he requested the book through the UMass Dartmouth library's interlibrary loan program.
The student, who was completing a research paper on Communism for Professor Pontbriand's class on fascism and totalitarianism, filled out a form for the request, leaving his name, address, phone number and Social Security number. He was later visited at his parents' home in New Bedford by two agents of the Department of Homeland Security, the professors said.
The professors said the student was told by the agents that the book is on a "watch list," and that his background, which included significant time abroad, triggered them to investigate the student further.
"I tell my students to go to the direct source, and so he asked for the official Peking version of the book," Professor Pontbriand said. "Apparently, the Department of Homeland Security is monitoring inter-library loans, because that's what triggered the visit, as I understand it."
Although The Standard-Times knows the name of the student, he is not coming forward because he fears repercussions should his name become public. He has not spoken to The Standard-Times.
The professors had been asked to comment on a report that President Bush had authorized the National Security Agency to spy on as many as 500 people at any given time since 2002 in this country.
The eavesdropping was apparently done without warrants.
The Little Red Book, is a collection of quotations and speech excerpts from Chinese leader Mao Tse-Tung.
In the 1950s and '60s, during the Cultural Revolution in China, it was required reading. Although there are abridged versions available, the student asked for a version translated directly from the original book.
The student told Professor Pontbriand and Dr. Williams that the Homeland Security agents told him the book was on a "watch list." They brought the book with them, but did not leave it with the student, the professors said.
Dr. Williams said in his research, he regularly contacts people in Afghanistan, Chechnya and other Muslim hot spots, and suspects that some of his calls are monitored.
"My instinct is that there is a lot more monitoring than we think," he said.
Dr. Williams said he had been planning to offer a course on terrorism next semester, but is reconsidering, because it might put his students at risk.
"I shudder to think of all the students I've had monitoring al-Qaeda Web sites, what the government must think of that," he said. "Mao Tse-Tung is completely harmless."

Contact Aaron Nicodemus at [email protected]

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/12-05/12-17-05/a09lo650.htm
 
The amusing part is that the DoHS actually thinks these visits could be productive. Like they will go question this student and he'll actually say "golly, G-Men, ya caught me! Yep, I'm part of an international terrorist conspiracy to bring back communism. Good work guys! Nope, I'll just put the handcuffs on myself and spare you the effort."
 
Good grief, this is right out of the television ad!:eek: This is what they are doing with my tax money. Hassling a college kid over his homework. "Oh, no, someone is reading! The evildoers must be stopped!"

Mao? They are worried about Mao?:scrutiny: I'm reading that new biography on Mao written by the woman that wrote Wild Swans. So, if you guys don't hear from me, please check the Bureau of Prisons (I'll likely be in the MCC in Chicago or Terre Haute). Please send toothpaste, bouncing soap, and Fig Newtons with a file in it.:D

Here's where to look for me; remember I'll be under an assumed name: http://www.bop.gov
 
This is why I dare not order anything from paladin press.

I just get my silly evil books from the gun show :neener:

Bouncing soap...nice..:D
 
This story is all based on something some professor said? But the student and his family are withholding their name and not talking? I wouldn't totally believe this story yet. But I'm sure this reporter completely checked out all of the allegations and has backed up all of his sources before writing, yeah right. Adding the thoughts of what this professor thinks goes on and his musings is also good reporting there. :rolleyes:
 
GoRon said:
I call BS on this story.

When the student comes forward with the agents names I'll believe it.

Me too. Anyone can claim anything if you don't have to have proof.


Why just last night 3 black CIA helicpopters landed in front of my house and told me I could convert my AR into a machinegun, that I'd been specially chosen to be my neighborhood watch "special op"

No, really, I swear......it happened just like that. No, I forgot to take pictures, and they didn't tell me their names, but I promise it's all true.
The helicopters were silenced though, so my neighbors didn't hear anything.
 
True, this story needs follow up investigation.

However you would think that a professor would come up with something better than Mao if he was fabricating a government oppression story.
 
As a plank owner in the offending party, you would be suprised... This story may be fictional, but right now the wagon (DHS) is pulled by fresh-broke horses (JACKASSES) so don't be suprised that it's all over the place.

(I'm sure the above statement is nothing new to anyone here)

One of the funniest office words in my vocabulary has always been "intel". One sure way to get money from a pencil pusher is add the prefix "hot new" to intel. "hot new intel" will make the DHS bean counters soil their panties. Our friend, the Mao enthusiest was no doubt the victim of "hot new intel".

;)
 
Gray area here.

This all seems to be inline with the USA PATRIOT Act passed by our illustrious leaders in Congress.

The real problem I see is who makes these watch list's up? Who in the Executive branch decides what goes on a watch list? Books, Forums, Catalogs etc. Is it a political appointee? A bureaucrat?

What are the political leanings of the watch person? Are his/her loyalties to the Constitution or an individual?

In this case it appears to have been a mere "Look and See" no harm, no foul, since if it was anything more serious I'm sure this particular Professor would have called the ACLU and kerry.

A professor trying to be somebody.

Vick
 
I am not sure why some here are so sure this story is BS.

After all, under the Patriot Act, the government asked for and was given the power to review all library activities by citizens.

Why would the government want this power if they had no intention of using it?
 
Wasn't there an issue a few months ago where agents wanted some libraries
checkout records and the librarian refused sparking a court battle?
 
I don't believe this story for a minute. Someone's playing make-believe here, maybe to make a point about the government, perhaps just seeking his fifteen minutes of fame ... but the B.S. flag is flying high here.
 
I wonder what would happen if you happen to check out a copy of Mein Kampf

I already have a copy that I bought years ago. I wanted to read it to see what he had to say.

It was so boreing and rambling I couldn't get much past page 10 so I stoped reading it.
 
I believe it. Did you notice the part where the professor said the agents said it was the request for the book COMBINED with the students travels abroad that triggered the investigation? That leads a little more credence to me than if it was just the request for the book alone.
 
jsalcedo said:
This is why I dare not order anything from paladin press.

I just get my silly evil books from the gun show :neener:

I feel the exact same way. There's some cool books, but I don't dare...
 
Another scary thought...

I wonder how many here are on a "buying excessive amounts of ammuntion" list? Let's be frank, terrorist use guns and ammo. How hard would it be to sniff the "packets" to and from major ammo retailers on the web? If they are concerned about what you read, surely they want to know what you shoot. I'm sure more terrorists buy guns and bullets, than read books at public libraries. Scary sh*t :uhoh:

Don't forget that part of the patriot act that allows the feds to view any type of records a retailer/wholesaler keeps on customers without oversight, also forbids the retailer/wholesaler from notifying the target that he has been targeted.

Guess I made the "bad guys" list now for sure...
 
I am not sure why some here are so sure this story is BS.
It happens all the time.

Not long ago, a couple of Vietnam wannabes were running about bragging about their exploits. One claimed to be a POW who escaped captivity. The other claimed to be a USAF para-rescue man who rescued over thirty POWs during his service in Vietnam.

A very gullible state veteran's services officer bought into their stories and thought they might be related. She arranged a 'reunion' and lo and behold, one turned out to have 'rescued' the other. The story went national via the Associated Press. Then the NAM-POWs and the Department of Defense stepped in. There was never a successful rescue of an American POW by U.S forces in Vietnam. Both 'heroes' were phonies.

I notice in this government 'persecution' story, there is no mention of any attempt to confirm the incident by contacting the appropriate federal agency.

Pilgrim
 
True or not, the fact that the current state of things in this nation makes this story even seem plausible is a travesty.

Wasn't there an issue a few months ago where agents wanted some libraries checkout records and the librarian refused sparking a court battle?

Yes. This is actually quite widespread. In a report, the FBI whined about "militant librarians" who refused to turn over checkout records.
 
I'll get flamed for this but i'll say it anyway...

I wonder if the agents who visited the student realize they are part of the problem, not the cure.

C-












(p.s. for those who don't get it: if the idea is to preserve freedom; then you wont get a visit from the feds for checking out a library book- no matter what the subject!)
 
I believe it. Did you guys know the government traces every personal check you write. On your checking statement it used to be called fed trace number. Then people cried fowl and they changed it to sequence number so you would forget about it. No I'm not talking about the check number. I'm not going to post a copy of my checking statement to prove it for obvious reasons. If you don't believe it look into it.
 
If Feinstein et al had their way, this guy would be banned from owning a gun after he graduated from college. Because reading that book put him on a "terrorism watch list"...
 
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