"Feeling safe" vs. BEING safe...

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If there is one comment that drives me f-ing batty, as I know it does all of you, is the comment "well I feel safe, so I don't need a gun."

when one says they live in a low crime area and don’t feel they “need” a gun, that’s quite different than whether or not they may need one statically speaking. Denial can get you killed. Ergo:

"Denial is a defense mechanism' postulated by Sigmund Freud, in which a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept and rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence..."

For example, the women who walks home alone late at night in a bad area of NYC says “I feel perfectly safe” is in denial no?

So, “feeling safe” and being safer two very different things right?

So, when one says "I live in a low crime area", what you are actually saying is statistically speaking, the likelihood of your needing a gun to protect you or your family is low enough that you feel comfortable not owning one. Fair enough, but one should never mistake “feeling” safe for actually being safe, statistically speaking.

I too live in a low crime area, thus I am at low risk of needing a gun, and I know that. I also have an alarm and good locks and expect that would be effective against 99% of the people who ever attempted to enter my house by force.

Now, back to feeling safe vs being safe. Before I lived in this town, I lived in Newton MA, which at the time was ranked THE safest city in the US. Number one at that time. Not sure where it’s ranked right now, but I am sure it’s still ranked top 3 or so of safest cities. My land lady didn’t even lock her doors, as she saw no need…Don’t know where you live, but do you think you have lower or higher crime rates than Newton MA? In the 7 years I lived there, I missed an armed bank robbery by less then 30 minutes, there was an armed break in down the block from me. Finally, close by was my favorite little fish store. Being big salt water fish enthusiast I used to stop in a lo and knew the manager well.

On night I was in, talked shop went home. Less than an hour later, a guy passing through came into that store (police later assumed he was probably high on something) asking about his drugs, where his money was, etc. My friend the manager tried to tell him he had no idea what he was talking about, so this guy pulls out a gun and shoots him twice. My friend, now shot twice, wrestled the gun from the guys hands, puts it under his chin, and blew is brains all over the fish store.

Any of you from MA remember that shooting?

My friend lived, but with permanent injuries and the store was closed. That’s real life. Yes, living in low crime areas, statistically speaking, you are unlikely to need a gun, but me, I am not willing to risk my life, or my families life on that, are you? That's what I tell people when they give me that "I feel safe" BS...

Don’t plan on any fires, but I have several fire extinguishers too….rant off!
 
So, “feeling safe” and being safer two very different things right?

That's true about having a pistol concealed, too, though. It may make you feel safer, but you have to be able to get it out before you are stabbed/shot/whatever, or it does little good.

So you're right, but staying in low-crime areas is still a good idea.
 
"So you're right, but staying in low-crime areas is still a good idea."

Of course, but as shown above, I missed a shooting by minutes in the safest city (at the time) in the US, so sh*& happens no matter where you live.
 
There really is no such thing as "safe".

I could sit here at my desk with my doors locked and all my guns, and a plane could crash into my house.

There are just risks. Some are more possible, preventable, or have more consequences than others.
 
I don't know that I can entirely blame them. Who wants to believe that bad things can happen to good people who don't deseve it? It kind of sticks to think that someone might try to do you or your family harm for no good reason at all and that you might be all on your own without anyone to help you. Who wouldn't rather live in the safer world where that doesn't happen? Of course I can't ignore reality but I understand why people want to.
 
grew up in boston and westwood, yes I remember. cant agree more, be aware, be prepared, now I live near the largest master jet base in the world Oceana but I love the sound of jets hot and low, go figure
 
95% of the people I know would happily trade feeling safer for actually being less safe.
 
they do go hot and low...

I droveby to Dam Neck for 3.5 years and I still remember not being certain if it was real or a rc model from the rc center on Princess Ann rd. And if the car shook when it passed, I knew..thanks for the memory jog..As far as "feeling" that is/was the buzz word of the 70's spawned psycho everything. ONly if we got in touch with our "feeling" would we be "OK". IMHO I "feel" safe when my glock is on my hip and or a rifle is on my shoulder, and still my head stays on a swivel!:D
 
There really is no such thing as "safe".

I could sit here at my desk with my doors locked and all my guns, and a plane could crash into my house.

There are just risks. Some are more possible, preventable, or have more consequences than others.

Exactly! "Safe" is a relative term. I feel pretty much "safe" driving myself and my kids where we need to go. However, statistically speaking - my feelings might not reflect my "safe" reality.

The degree of "safe" a person is comfortable with will vary from person to person. If someone feels "safe" without a handgun - I don't have a problem with it. But I DO have a problem with someone telling me I don't NEED one and that I should feel "safe" without one. Personally, I enjoy "doing things" that make me "safer". I drive safely, carry a concealed handgun, make good decisions (not drinking before I drive), drive fairly safe vehicles, etc.

Just as an example, does everyone who carries a concealed hangun - in order to be "safe" - also make sure he/she only drives the "safest" cars/trucks? I seriously doubt it - even though safer vehicles offer "statistical safety".
 
I'm sure most victims of violent crime "feel safe" up until that moment. Hope for the best but plan for the worst.
 
I don't get "the eye" from my wife as much as I used to, when I'd grab a gun for a trip to a restaurant or the Wal-Mart. Her usual comment was something like " We're just going to the store." I'd always tell her, nobody goes anywhere they expect to be shot. But it happens all the time. No way to know that the cashier at the grocery store might have a nut job for a boyfriend. And today is the day he plans to take her out, along with everybody else he can. And I want to be able to put more than a head of lettuce & a loaf of bread in my hands if that happens. She's pretty much on board now.

Tuckerdog1
 
So, “feeling safe” and being safer two very different things right?

If by "safe" you mean that nothing bad can happen to you, then I agree with TallPine, we are never truly safe. Bad things happen to people all the time that couldn't be expected or planned for.

It is not what the odds are, it is what is at stake

I disagree completely. Driving is a terribly dangerous activity, where thousands loose their lives each year. But even with our lives at stake we continue to drive. People knowing live in areas prone to tornados, hurricanes, earthquakes, forrest fires and mudslides, all of which are life threatening. So I think it is the odds.

When people talk about being safe, they really talking about the odds of something happening to them are small enough that they don't think anything could happen. And yes, they are probably ignoring a whole bunch of things where the odds aren't that low.

But we all know that carrying a gun doesn't make necessarily make you safe, maybe not even safer, just more prepared, anymore than having an extinguisher makes you safe from fires. And having a gun may make you more prepared for some kinds of attacks, but do you carry a life preserver with you, or a first aid kit, or a snake bite kit, or all any one of the things you might need in some other life and death situation? Me neither.

So maybe it comes down to that fact that nobody is really safe anywhere at any time. Nothing you can do to change that. And what kind of a life would you have if you dwell on that fact. So we each must decide our own odds, and take the steps we think are neccessary, and not critize others who have calculated their odds differently and take different steps.
 
My dad and I live in a low crime area as well. But that didn't stop a drughead that used to live nearby from stealing the .22 derringer from my dad's car. Just because you live in a low crime area doesn't mean you live in a no crime area. Protection and defense is, or should be, a 24 hours a day mentality.
 
snippet of a conversation about a year ago...

Friend- "So you carry?"
Me- "Yes"
Friend- "You mean all the time?"
Me- "Whenever I can do so legally"
Friend-"So...does that make you feel safer?"
Me- "No, not really"
(Long pause while my friend digested that answer)
Friend- "So why do you have it then?"
Me- "It's like a seatbelt. It doesn't make me feel any better about the crazy drivers out there but it sure does improve my odds in a crisis".
 
So, when one says "I live in a low crime area", what you are actually saying is statistically speaking, the likelihood of your needing a gun to protect you or your family is low enough that you feel comfortable not owning one. Fair enough, but one should never mistake “feeling” safe for actually being safe, statistically speaking.

Wearing a pistol doesn't make you safe. Seeing as most people carry concealed, it doesn't even lower your odds of being victimized for the most part. What it does do is arguably increase your chances of surviving a confrontation once it has begun... provided that you are competent enough, and provided the opportunity, to deploy your weapon effectively that is.

That said, it could be legitimately argued that maintaining a high degree of physical fitness is equally, if not more, effective in surviving a violent confrontation once it has begun... even if one chooses to arm themself. I made a friend once who carried a gun, but considered it as irresponsible and vulnerable to be unnecessarily physically unfit as many here feel it is to go unarmed.

Then again, it should also be noted that, statistically speaking, the most physically vulnerable members of society, and the ones least likely to arm themselves, traditionally enjoy the lowest levels of victimization.

The most important weapons in the fight to optimize safety are organic; brain, eyes, ears and legs.
 
Dragonfire, don't miss the point of the statement, "It's not the odds, it's the stakes."

(I've forgotten who came up with that one.)

The point is that when somebody says, "What are the chances of you being robbed and beaten?" you have to look at the stakes involved, meaning severe bodily injury or perhaps even death.

Maybe you can look at it another way. If you buy a Lotto ticket for a dollar, the odds of winning are astronomically against you. But the stakes are so small... only $1.00.

It's not like you're betting ten million dollars to win fifty million dollars.

You're only betting that tiny little dollar to win fifty mllion dollars.

"It's not the odds. It's the stakes involved."

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ETA: ""It's the STAKES that matter. Not the odds." -- Lee Lapin, regarding "needing" a CCW
 
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So, when one says "I live in a low crime area", what you are actually saying is statistically speaking, the likelihood of your needing a gun to protect you or your family is low enough that you feel comfortable not owning one. Fair enough, but one should never mistake “feeling” safe for actually being safe, statistically speaking.

JCF said:

"Wearing a pistol doesn't make you safe."


Thus the term "statistically speaking" above. Safer meaning, statistically less likely to be a victim of a violent crime. The term "safe" or "safer" is of course relative at best, worthless at worse, like the term "natural." There are no claims in my post being armed makes one "safe" and I was using common lexicon of the people who use terms like "feel safe" and such.

JCF said:

"Seeing as most people carry concealed, it doesn't even lower your odds of being victimized for the most part." What it does do is arguably increase your chances of surviving a confrontation once it has begun... provided that you are competent enough, and provided the opportunity, to deploy your weapon effectively that is."

Splitting hairs there. Yes, of course that's all true. Mine was a macro group of comments, which you have fine tuned micro details to it.

JCF said:

"That said, it could be legitimately argued that maintaining a high degree of physical fitness is equally, if not more, effective in surviving a violent confrontation once it has begun... even if one chooses to arm themself. I made a friend once who carried a gun, but considered it as irresponsible and vulnerable to be unnecessarily physically unfit as many here feel it is to go unarmed."

And in many respects i would agree. I am always quite amazed by how out of shape most of the men I see are at the range, IDPA matches, etc. It seems many of them depend on the gun as the only thing they need. Although the general public is in terrible shape (and fitness, weight loss, exercise, bodybuilding, etc, is my business*) it's my impression the shooting community (at least though I am exposed to) are often in even worse condition. People should attempt to stay in good working order for various reasons, one of which is it may save your life. I'm always particularly disheartened by the number of LEOs I see that are in such terrible condition.

You can take this to an extreme of course and spend all your time in the gym, running, and getting your 9th black belt (which is fine too, and is often line of work, etc applicable), but there is a minimum fitness level people should attempt to achieve and maintain, just as there is a minimum proficiency people should have with firearms. We all know those people who purchase a gun, drop it in the drawer, and conclude they are all set...:(

I have made note of that for a long time actually. These are generalizations of course and do not fit all people, like yours truly. :p

* = bio:

http://www.brinkzone.com/bio.php
 
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There really is no such thing as "safe".

I could sit here at my desk with my doors locked and all my guns, and a plane could crash into my house.

There are just risks. Some are more possible, preventable, or have more consequences than others.

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Tall Pine,

I just turned on my computer and read this. You took the words right out of my mouth!

Thanks!

Catherine
 
BAD things CAN and DO happen to GOOD people by BAD people.

These things can happen in good areas that have proven statistics which show that they are 'SAFE' aka a low crime area. Been there - done that in my former rural home - former state with my late husband. His home state.

As my late husband used to say:

S___happens in war and S___ happens in LIFE... deal with it!

Catherine
 
"I could sit here at my desk with my doors locked and all my guns, and a plane could crash into my house."

One can take that to extremes if they want with the example, and some do. At that point you are talking about relative risk and risk to benefit ratios, etc.
 
Glad you appreciated my thoughts, Catherine :)

Another thing: to me all deaths are not equal. Coming off my horse and breaking my neck is technically just as dead as having someone break into our house, kill me and rape my wife - but the latter to me is much much worse.

It's just a matter of principle, I guess. I can't really explain any better than that.
 
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