Fenty claims semi-auto handguns still illegal

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Obviously, we don't know yet how this will all play out. But, this is why exuberant celebration over Heller may be premature. I've read some of the most outlandish celebration claims, like it's only a matter of time before we can buy MGs again. These people haven't read the decision, or have read only the briefest summary. The court said DC can't prohibit *all* handguns. It didn't say it had to allow *all* handguns.

This may yet be a double edged sword. I hope I'm not being overly pessimistic, and it's good that we got confirmation of an individual right and the concept of guns for self-defense. But, there's plenty of room for other regulation and restrictions. As I predicted all along, the political fight will continue unabated.

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yeh,,it wasn't 20 min. until the mayor in DC was on the news saying what it didn't do,,,and talking around the court,,,,,about what it didn't say and what it didn't cover,,,,was it a victory,,,,hell yes,,,,,is the fight over,,,,,hell no

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to tell the truth I sorta enjoyed watching Mr. Fenty jump up on stage all puffed out "large and in control" and making his bold statements about what the law was and wasn't in DC at this point.

It's going to just make it all that much sweeter when he eats crow down the road.
 
i kinda wonder at this point if mayor fenty understands what semi-automatic means.

maybe he's confusing them with machine guns (Sarah Brady did an excellent job of trying to do that, remember?) and the law in D.C. does treat them the same.

in any case, if they are drafting legislation ... who is going to help D.C. out and will gun owners be able to give any input so that no further delays are brought up by litigation?

sucks to be Mayor Fenty today. :evil:
 
I haven't seen any video or heard any audio of Fenty, but I did see The Peoples Demokratik Republik of Chikago's Emperor "DICK" Daley II ranting and raving.

Perhaps Hizzoner Daley has realized that "The Emperor has no clothes"?
 
Because Heller conceded at oral argument
that the D. C. licensing law is permissible if it is not enforced arbitrarily
and capriciously, the Court assumes that a license will satisfy
his prayer for relief and does not address the licensing requirement.
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So is he going to get a license to carry out of this? That would be HUGE if DC started issuing licenses to carry in a non-arbitrary and non-capricious way.
 
Fenty made a huge mistake with his public announcement that he plans to continue to enforce a, now illegal and unconstitutional, law for another 21 days. When the ruling was announced that was it. There is no grace period to vacate a law. It was a done deal. Period.

In addition he now plans to ban an entire class of arms which was clearly spelled out in the decision as being illegal as long as they are in common use.

It certainly looks to me like he was contemptuous of the court's decision with his remarks and just made it clear he intends to continue to abuse Second Amendment rights. I see an injunction against his new ban and a civil rights lawsuit in his future.

He would have been much better off announcing that he has Hellyer's license in his hand and as a show of good faith he will also be giving him a brand new Police issue Glock. Instead he had get up and beat his chest and tell SCOTUS we'll show you!

Here's his speech from youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vj2L8OhR4ak
 
The best I can figure is that some people think that automatic means "rock n' roll" and semi-automatic means "3-rd burst"
 
Because that's all he asked for.

But "bear arms" is a (as yet unincorporated) constitutional right now. And Scalia (and Ginsburg) defined it as, essentially, "open carry". :D
 
I would be interested in knowing what percentage of DC residents could in fact legally purchase a handgun in my opinion there is and would be more illegally owned firearms then legal, just an opinion, don't shoot me.:D
 
Fenty made a huge mistake with his public announcement that he plans to continue to enforce a, now illegal and unconstitutional, law for another 21 days. When the ruling was announced that was it. There is no grace period to vacate a law. It was a done deal. Period.
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You are mistaken on this. After a court rules on an issue it still has to issue a court order or injunction for the ruling to take effect. This can and usually does take a week or so in order for both parties to prepare for the ruling.

In addition he now plans to ban an entire class of arms which was clearly spelled out in the decision as being illegal as long as they are in common use.
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This, however, you are correct on and I hope by him going out immediately and stating this that the court will specifically bar him from doing so in their injunction.
 
DC, Chicago, and SFO will all stand in the face of the Supreme Court ruling. To enforce the law there would take a similar action as in Selma, AL: The U. S. Army would have to go in to force them to obey the law. And that isn't going to happen; the Army and National Guard are, instead, being trained for removing weapons from homes, not defending weapons in homes.
 
Even if he succeeds in banning semi-autos, he's slitting his own throat on micro-stamping if he tries that tack as well. If you can buy handguns, but you can't buy semi-autos, that leaves derringers and revolvers, neither of which have been in the micro-stamping bills put forth so far, and would be useless drivel if they were.

The common use definition is the sword we can weild for semi-autos.

We can maintain the initiative and offensive, despite the antis trying to find and use a loophole in the laws. We are speaking for The People, and they're starting to wake-up to what they've had taken away from them.
 
But, this is why exuberant celebration over Heller may be premature.
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I really wouldn't worry about it. Legally, Fenty's like a Japanese straggler, skulking around in the bushes, thirty years after Hirohito read the surrender proclamation. What he THINKS is utterly irrelevant. Any claim that he can ban COMMON handguns has a snowball's chance in Fallujah of surviving.

All Fenty's going to do is end up making some plaintiffs and lawyers rich and putting some gullible cop's family in a homeless shelter.
 
"bear" - Definition...

transitive verb
1 a: to move while holding up and supporting b: to be equipped or furnished with

— bear arms
1: to carry or possess arms


I know he will be able to possess a gun in his home, but by definition and the wording in 2A...they should be able to carry also. If you're standing on the street corner, you can't "bear arms" if it's at home.
 
DC, Chicago, and SFO will all stand in the face of the Supreme Court ruling. To enforce the law there would take a similar action as in Selma, AL: The U. S. Army would have to go in to force them to obey the law. And that isn't going to happen; the Army and National Guard are, instead, being trained for removing weapons from homes, not defending weapons in homes.
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Sorry, I've seen more plausible storylines on "Doctor Who". If you think that even the Chicago PD are willing en masse to lose their freedom and everything they own to support Little Dick and his gun ban, you're living on Gallifray in a London police callbox. The Marshalls can arrest a Chicago or DC cop, just like anybody else. If he resists, they can SHOOT him. I think it's likely that one or two cops will fall on his sword, but no more. It's tough to be a cop if you can't handle a gun. It's tough to lawfully handle a gun as a convicted felon. There isn't any ambiguity here. NO cop in DC has any doubt that the ban has been overturned. That means that they're acting outside of the scope of their duties to enforce it. Anybody dumb enough to fall on his sword for Fenty deserves to lose everything he has and end up on the streets with his wife and kids. And believe me, if one of them violated my civil rights in the way you suggest, I'd come after him without one iota of mercy. THAT degree of stupidity HAS to be punished, without mercy or compassion.
 
I know he will be able to possess a gun in his home, but by definition and the wording in 2A...they should be able to carry also. If you're standing on the street corner, you can't "bear arms" if it's at home.
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It wasn't at issue in this case but based on what the ruling said, it will at least in DC probably be an easy victory if DC refuses to allow people to bear arms (in case of confrontation as Scalia wrote). Other cities and the states will depend on incorporation. The Chicago lawsuit may lead to that...
 
Fenty made a huge mistake with his public announcement that he plans to continue to enforce a, now illegal and unconstitutional, law for another 21 days. When the ruling was announced that was it. There is no grace period to vacate a law. It was a done deal. Period.
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Maybe someone should remind him of the Supremacy Clause and the events in 1963 in Alabama.
 
The DC "attorney general" being interviewed on the DC NPR station just said that the new handgun laws will require "trigger locks" on all handguns. When pressed by the host on how that jibes with the decision, the council member said "trigger locks don't impede self-defense use because they can be removed in a split-second."

ETA: Nickles just said that since semi-autos "could be modifiable to full-auto," they would be banned as a "dangerous weapon" under Heller.
 
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Grendel P-10?

Just to tweak the DC authorities while they work out that they really can't ban all Semi-Auto Handguns (probably), why not register a Grendel P-10?

It doesn't fit the definition for their Semi-Auto ban, which is any handgun capable of holding more than 12 rounds. While that definition includes, essentially, ANY removable magazine pistol, the Grendel P-10 has an internal magazine limited (forever) to 10 rounds. The most it can possibly be loaded with is 11 rounds of ammunition.

Not the greatest gun ever made, but it would probably torque up the DC Police anyway to have to register it.

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  • " Is this guy a cousin of Nagin?" Hear that
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which is any handgun capable of holding more than 12 rounds.

is banned in DC

So how can they ban semi autos that are not capable of discharging more than 12 rounds?
 
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