Few Kahrs at Gun Shops???
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wally
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Everybody seemed to have Kahrs at yesterdays gunshow -- PM9, PM40, Black Diamonds, w/wo night sites etc. About the only ones I didn't see were Kahr made Auto Ordinance/Thompson 1911s and their T series larger guns.
Really like my PM40.
Kahr may not be as popular in colder climates as they are here, if you can always wear two layers of clothes you probably don't need the super small size of the Kahr and can get something a little bigger for a lot cheaper like Taurus Millenium which is only a little more than half the price of a Kahr.
--wally.
Really like my PM40.
Kahr may not be as popular in colder climates as they are here, if you can always wear two layers of clothes you probably don't need the super small size of the Kahr and can get something a little bigger for a lot cheaper like Taurus Millenium which is only a little more than half the price of a Kahr.
--wally.
I have same problem here in CT. Most stores either don't carry them, or have one model in stock. I own three Kahrs (Stainless PM9, Black PM9, and a P9) and I had to special order two of them. I am looking for a K9 Elite and it looks like I will have to order it also.
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You don't see Kahr's because of price. A gun shop ties up A LOT of money in stocking a Kahr.
Most gun shops stock their big selling brands, usually Ruger.
Kahr's are expensive and most people look to cheaper brands, so most gun shops only order them for customer requests.
Most gun shops stock their big selling brands, usually Ruger.
Kahr's are expensive and most people look to cheaper brands, so most gun shops only order them for customer requests.
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I have a Kahr P9...and I like it. I traded a Sig 230 for it...but I would NEVER pay what Kahr suggests the price be for their guns. Flat out not worth that much in my opinion. They would be great 350-400 guns. Not worth more than 400.
I have to agree with alduro.
Kahrs are nice guns...but they are nice 300-400 dollar guns...
In the 500 dollar range they start getting up there with Sig, and a kahr is NOT a sig.
I would LOVE to have an MK9...but i aint paying that much for one.
Kahrs are nice guns...but they are nice 300-400 dollar guns...
In the 500 dollar range they start getting up there with Sig, and a kahr is NOT a sig.
I would LOVE to have an MK9...but i aint paying that much for one.
I don't have enough hands-on experience with enough different guns to have an opinion as to whether Kahrs are worth their price or not. What I do know is that, so far, I've not found another semi-auto that fits my hand as well as a Kahr. To me, this is important--and worth the money.
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blades67
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We have quite a few Kahr handguns at the shop. PM9's, P9's, K9's, T9's, PM40's, P40's. Those are the ones I remember off the top of my head. Inventory may be different Monday morning because of the Crossroads of the West show this weekend but we almost always have them in stock.
tomkatz
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Let's see, sweet trigger, excellent accuracy, easy to conceal, drop dead reliable, well finished, great ergonomics.......I have a mk40 and my wife has a k-9 and I can't find one bad thing to say about them in several years of use, they have been so good cost is irrelevent at this point.......tom
I've got to chime in here.
One shop out of two that I frequent has started to carry Kahrs.
They don't have the name recognition of a Glock, S&W, Kimber, etc.
But, if a Sig is worth $700 or more, then a Kahr is certainly worth $500.
I've owned two.
Both have the quality of workmanship and materials equal to any Smith or Colt I've seen. Top of the line.
The really sweet trigger has already been mentioned.
You have a brand of guns that were designed from the ground up as CCW weapons. Sig, Glock, and most other Euro guns still don't get the concept of a small carry gun.
I think it's sad that a handgun should cost $1000, but many do.
Kahr guns are accurate, reliable, shootable, and the ones I have seen are works of art. They work as advertised, and have a lifetime warranty.
In today's market, a Kahr is not an over-priced gun.
Perhaps we shouldn't speak of the value of something that we haven't owned.
One shop out of two that I frequent has started to carry Kahrs.
They don't have the name recognition of a Glock, S&W, Kimber, etc.
But, if a Sig is worth $700 or more, then a Kahr is certainly worth $500.
I've owned two.
Both have the quality of workmanship and materials equal to any Smith or Colt I've seen. Top of the line.
The really sweet trigger has already been mentioned.
You have a brand of guns that were designed from the ground up as CCW weapons. Sig, Glock, and most other Euro guns still don't get the concept of a small carry gun.
I think it's sad that a handgun should cost $1000, but many do.
Kahr guns are accurate, reliable, shootable, and the ones I have seen are works of art. They work as advertised, and have a lifetime warranty.
In today's market, a Kahr is not an over-priced gun.
Perhaps we shouldn't speak of the value of something that we haven't owned.
Kahr
I have to say my two cents worth Kahr has been and always will be one of my finest guns i own.
I have a Kimber, a Glock , a Steyr , a Walther and my Kahr T-40 man what a great build of a gun they produced from a piece of metal. You guy's are missing out on one of the best guns built. It would be nice if Kahr would be cheaper, but then everybody would own one.
I have to say my two cents worth Kahr has been and always will be one of my finest guns i own.
I have a Kimber, a Glock , a Steyr , a Walther and my Kahr T-40 man what a great build of a gun they produced from a piece of metal. You guy's are missing out on one of the best guns built. It would be nice if Kahr would be cheaper, but then everybody would own one.
Marshall
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We had a Gun Show this past weekend in Oklahoma, I only remember seeing two Kahr pistols out of the whole show!
The gun shops aren't big on them either evidently, I have only seen one in the gun shops I visit in the Tulsa area. I would love to know where they are?
The gun shops aren't big on them either evidently, I have only seen one in the gun shops I visit in the Tulsa area. I would love to know where they are?
starfuryzeta
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I'm in the same situation. one of the shops I frequent does carry Kahr, but usually just the PM series. Of course, they are charging $100+ more than I think they should.
I'm still searching for a MK9 Elite 2003. Kahr says that they've shipped and are available, but no one seems to be able to get them.
So, if someone knows of a MK9 Elite 2003, let me know.
I'm still searching for a MK9 Elite 2003. Kahr says that they've shipped and are available, but no one seems to be able to get them.
So, if someone knows of a MK9 Elite 2003, let me know.
Part of the problem lies in the fact that Kahr guns are designed for CCW, so you won't see one on the hip of a cop, a Navy Seal, an FBI agent, etc.
Image does more than we would like to admit.
If the LAPD is using them, they must be great, right?
Many of the above people may carry a Kahr as a backup, or off-duty gun, but that doesn't get any press.
KelTec weapons have caught on because they are small, inexpensive, and a good value.
Kahr weapons are small, reliable, a good value, and many other things, but not inexpensive.
Image does more than we would like to admit.
If the LAPD is using them, they must be great, right?
Many of the above people may carry a Kahr as a backup, or off-duty gun, but that doesn't get any press.
KelTec weapons have caught on because they are small, inexpensive, and a good value.
Kahr weapons are small, reliable, a good value, and many other things, but not inexpensive.
Marshall
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The 32NAA is a new cartridge/firearm 'system' designed and developed by the partnership of North American Arms and Cor-Bon Ammunition.
In essence, the cartridge is based on a 380 case, which is necked-down to hold a smaller 32 bullet. The benefit is a remarkable gain in ballistic performance (below).
The .32NAA Guardian pistol is designed around this cartridge. This gun is almost identical to .380 ACP Guardian, different only in the chamber and the size of the bore. The cartridge is manufactured by Cor-Bon, a well-recognized industry leader in the development of high-performance ammunition.
To summarize, the load delivers in excess of 1222 f.p.s. velocity to a 60 grain proprietary bullet from Hornady. This generates 199 ft. lbs of energy, specifically from the 2.5" Guardian barrel (1453 f.p.s. & 287 ft. lbs from a 4" test barrel).
According to industry expert Ed Sanow, the 32NAA:
Produces more velocity, more energy and more stopping power than any conventional jacketed lead hollow point (JHP) 32 ACP, 380 ACP or 380 ACP (+P) with 15% less recoil (Power Factor) than the (+P).
Penetrates 8.3" of Gelatin after passing through four (4) layers of denim, expanding to a .55" mushroom with a retained weight of 100%,
Has a Fuller Index of 62% One-Shot Stops, compared to (for example) the 380 ACP Federal 90gr. Hydra-Shok (53%).
Available with every option known to man:
From NAA's site.Options and packages
I ended up getting my K9 2003 Elite from www.sportingarms.com. None of my local dealers could seem to find one.
Just picked it up from my transfer FFL today...can't wait to try it out this weekend. By the way, SportingArms was very responsive and easy to work with.
ctdw
Just picked it up from my transfer FFL today...can't wait to try it out this weekend. By the way, SportingArms was very responsive and easy to work with.
ctdw
I bought a used K-9 Elite 98 a while back - actually traded a Ruger MKII Govt. Model for it. They were asking $349. Great little gun. Craftsmanship is excellent. Came with 3 magazines too. Keep looking. Not a big fan of polymer guns - really like the idea of a single stack 9mm that is all stainless. It is heavy though. Shoots great.
Big Bad Wolf
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As I stated in another Kahr thread the other day and what has been pointed out here is that Kahr's are simply overpriced for what you receive and therefor slow movers.
The only real "hot" seller in the Kahr line up is their PM series and to the novice gun buyer it appears to be a no name overpriced gun that offers no features. It seems to me that only experienced gun owners who CCW daily are really aware of the what the Kahr offers as far as ease of carry. Gun stores hate to stock these because it appeals only to one very specific, very informed, and well financed segment of the firearms buying community.
Kahr's marketing shows Bubba Blitz standing tall but in reality Bubba Blitz is an overpriced underdog in a sea of Titanium, Scandium, Aluminum, Polymer, insert uber material *here* CCW carry guns. Kahr's quality is on par with S&W auto's (in other words acceptable but not outstanding) but other than the fact Kahr pistols are a fraction of an inch in width smaller than the others does not justify taking the plunge on a high dollar firearm for many when there are much better bargains to be had out there that have tremendous reputations and names that stick out in the dealers case.
Here are what the big names sell for in my area.
Kahr $599
Sig $649
HK $719
Glock $499
S&W $549
XD $449
Taurus $399
Ruger $399
The only real "hot" seller in the Kahr line up is their PM series and to the novice gun buyer it appears to be a no name overpriced gun that offers no features. It seems to me that only experienced gun owners who CCW daily are really aware of the what the Kahr offers as far as ease of carry. Gun stores hate to stock these because it appeals only to one very specific, very informed, and well financed segment of the firearms buying community.
Kahr's marketing shows Bubba Blitz standing tall but in reality Bubba Blitz is an overpriced underdog in a sea of Titanium, Scandium, Aluminum, Polymer, insert uber material *here* CCW carry guns. Kahr's quality is on par with S&W auto's (in other words acceptable but not outstanding) but other than the fact Kahr pistols are a fraction of an inch in width smaller than the others does not justify taking the plunge on a high dollar firearm for many when there are much better bargains to be had out there that have tremendous reputations and names that stick out in the dealers case.
Here are what the big names sell for in my area.
Kahr $599
Sig $649
HK $719
Glock $499
S&W $549
XD $449
Taurus $399
Ruger $399
BBW, i agree with you on most points.
To the naive eye, the Kahr seems to be a stripped down, block-like pistol with not a whole lot to offer...However, you are right, they DO appeal to every day CCWers who want a small potent package, without all of the gizmos....
I really think that Kahr is filling a niche in the market that is otherwise dead...it is somewhere in between the KT p32s and the sub compact glocks....it is a true full power weapon, in a truly compact package...That in itself is very appealing, and is one of the reasons that i have personally been considering taking the plunge and ordering one.
To the naive eye, the Kahr seems to be a stripped down, block-like pistol with not a whole lot to offer...However, you are right, they DO appeal to every day CCWers who want a small potent package, without all of the gizmos....
I really think that Kahr is filling a niche in the market that is otherwise dead...it is somewhere in between the KT p32s and the sub compact glocks....it is a true full power weapon, in a truly compact package...That in itself is very appealing, and is one of the reasons that i have personally been considering taking the plunge and ordering one.
I've said it before, but.....
No, compared to other guns, a Kahr is not over priced.
Personally, I think most guns are over priced, but if some guns go for $800 or more, and nobody seems to mind, then a Kahr is not over priced.
Take one apart and look at the workmanship.
They are built like a Swiss watch.
I've got a PM9, and I traded a MK9 for it.
Both are simply works of art.
The quality of Kahr guns easily compare with Glock, S&W, and Colt firearms that I have owned. All of which cost the as much, or more than the Kahr.
Comparing a Kahr to a KelTec is like comparing a Rolex to a Casio.
When I hold them both in my hand, I'm not surprised the Kahr costs twice as much.
No, compared to other guns, a Kahr is not over priced.
Personally, I think most guns are over priced, but if some guns go for $800 or more, and nobody seems to mind, then a Kahr is not over priced.
Take one apart and look at the workmanship.
They are built like a Swiss watch.
I've got a PM9, and I traded a MK9 for it.
Both are simply works of art.
The quality of Kahr guns easily compare with Glock, S&W, and Colt firearms that I have owned. All of which cost the as much, or more than the Kahr.
Comparing a Kahr to a KelTec is like comparing a Rolex to a Casio.
When I hold them both in my hand, I'm not surprised the Kahr costs twice as much.
Climb14er
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<The quality of Kahr guns easily compare with Glock, S&W, and Colt firearms that I have owned. All of which cost the as much, or more than the Kahr.
Comparing a Kahr to a KelTec is like comparing a Rolex to a Casio.
When I hold them both in my hand, I'm not surprised the Kahr costs twice as much>
I'm reading this thread and wondering, 'am I really out to lunch?'
I've been looking at Kahrs for some time and in all honesty, the PM9 costs more than the Sig P239 357 Sig that I purchased last year. I don't understand this at all. The Sig is ALL quality build and construction. I look at the Kahr and see rough construction in a very small polymer package.
Personally, if Sig or HK were to take it upon themselves to build a lightweight, slim and totally reliable small counterpart to the Kahr, I'm sure they would garner the market and sell tons of the small pocket 9mm's.
I've read both good and bad re: the PM9's on the gun forums. That's good AND bad. Regarding Sigs, the good comments bury the bad comments ten to one or more. If this ratio were with Kahr, I might fork over the money and buy one. BUT, with the reliability issues still being worked out, I still feel that the Kahr PM9 is overpriced.
BTW, I have a Rolex Submariner and a Suunto Observer, the latter I use for climbing and outdoors. The Rolex is in impeccable condition, always serviced and always runs to near perfection. If someone wants to buy it from me, I'd take the Suunto and wear it all the time. I've come to the conclusion that I want total reliability over form and function coupled with consumer appeal. The Rolex is a great watch. The Suunto is flawless and does a lot more. The Rolex is ten times the price of the $300.00 Suunto.
Comparing a Kahr to a KelTec is like comparing a Rolex to a Casio.
When I hold them both in my hand, I'm not surprised the Kahr costs twice as much>
I'm reading this thread and wondering, 'am I really out to lunch?'
I've been looking at Kahrs for some time and in all honesty, the PM9 costs more than the Sig P239 357 Sig that I purchased last year. I don't understand this at all. The Sig is ALL quality build and construction. I look at the Kahr and see rough construction in a very small polymer package.
Personally, if Sig or HK were to take it upon themselves to build a lightweight, slim and totally reliable small counterpart to the Kahr, I'm sure they would garner the market and sell tons of the small pocket 9mm's.
I've read both good and bad re: the PM9's on the gun forums. That's good AND bad. Regarding Sigs, the good comments bury the bad comments ten to one or more. If this ratio were with Kahr, I might fork over the money and buy one. BUT, with the reliability issues still being worked out, I still feel that the Kahr PM9 is overpriced.
BTW, I have a Rolex Submariner and a Suunto Observer, the latter I use for climbing and outdoors. The Rolex is in impeccable condition, always serviced and always runs to near perfection. If someone wants to buy it from me, I'd take the Suunto and wear it all the time. I've come to the conclusion that I want total reliability over form and function coupled with consumer appeal. The Rolex is a great watch. The Suunto is flawless and does a lot more. The Rolex is ten times the price of the $300.00 Suunto.
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