Ginormous
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Ouch. Think Lee Precision will kindly refund my $10 for my old 10+ year old Lee powder measure kit?
ffg vrs fffg. volume vrs weight?
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Ouch. Think Lee Precision will kindly refund my $10 for my old 10+ year old Lee powder measure kit?
Lets see here,
That kit should work with some experimentation to find the right load to use, the key however will be with consistency, being use the same scoop every time for that particular rifle/pistol/shotgun/etc.. and fill to the same capacity mark each and every time.
That kit should work with some experimentation to find the right load to use, the key however will be with consistency, being use the same scoop every time for that particular rifle/pistol/shotgun/etc.. and fill to the same capacity mark each and every time.
scrat
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That is true. Problem is were going back to a different powder again. Those lee dippers were originally designed for smokeless powder. Though a black powder measure still works better those dippers will work too.
Key word is consistancey. Same time though you need to still weigh out the load when going smoke less. WHY. powders may settle after some time. Then with different humidity you may have different amounts of powder. If you are shooting for performance. First you should not be using dippers. however if you are and are shooting for smokeless you should weigh out the charge to see how it compares to the dipper. If last time you used a .3 lee dipper with unique and like this load. today or tomorrow you that weight may be differernt so the powder load needs to be checked with a scale to see if it will be consistent with what you shot before. 1 grain and 1/2 a grain can make a difference with smokeless.
HOWEVER
shooting black powder. a difference in 1/2 a grain or 1 grain may not even be noticable.
Bottom line stay consistent all the time. keep your technique the same and you will be ok.
oh as for the dippers if you dont want them you can send them too me
Key word is consistancey. Same time though you need to still weigh out the load when going smoke less. WHY. powders may settle after some time. Then with different humidity you may have different amounts of powder. If you are shooting for performance. First you should not be using dippers. however if you are and are shooting for smokeless you should weigh out the charge to see how it compares to the dipper. If last time you used a .3 lee dipper with unique and like this load. today or tomorrow you that weight may be differernt so the powder load needs to be checked with a scale to see if it will be consistent with what you shot before. 1 grain and 1/2 a grain can make a difference with smokeless.
HOWEVER
shooting black powder. a difference in 1/2 a grain or 1 grain may not even be noticable.
Bottom line stay consistent all the time. keep your technique the same and you will be ok.
oh as for the dippers if you dont want them you can send them too me
AdmiralB
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I use that kit. I took the chart that came with it, set it to "FFFG", and marked on the bottom of each the corresponding number with a fine-point Sharpie.
Is the one they list as 35 grains really 35 grains? I don't know. I don't care. It gives me a frame of reference, and that's all that matters.
I have a little craft tray with a funnel at one end, designed for glitter etc. I fill the scoop, level it off with the little knife that came with the tray, and fill the chamber. When I'm done, I just pour the spillover back into the flask.
Ginormous
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Scrat, assuming I can find the rest, you can have them all except the 1 cc dipper. It throws 13 grains of IMR 4227 reliably and consistently. My favorite .357 cast lead target load.
The minor point I am trying to make is the vast majority of smokeless powder measures use volume. It's a time proven reliable, safe and consistent method, whether dipped by hand, or cranked out by a mechanical powder measure from Lee, Lyman, Hornady, etc. Additionally, translation tables for most smokeless powders have been around for years.
With the advent of modern electronic scales, there no real reason NOT to measure smokeless powder by weight any longer. Unless . . . . you're addicted to the dipper. BTW, I do weigh my completed smokeless loads religiously. Never said I didn't.
The minor point I am trying to make is the vast majority of smokeless powder measures use volume. It's a time proven reliable, safe and consistent method, whether dipped by hand, or cranked out by a mechanical powder measure from Lee, Lyman, Hornady, etc. Additionally, translation tables for most smokeless powders have been around for years.
With the advent of modern electronic scales, there no real reason NOT to measure smokeless powder by weight any longer. Unless . . . . you're addicted to the dipper. BTW, I do weigh my completed smokeless loads religiously. Never said I didn't.
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