FFL X-Fer Question

[StopTheGrays]

A friend asked me about this and I am not 100% certain what to tell him. Here is his situation.

Let's say you are a 01 FFL in WI. You receive a rifle from NY state that a local customer wants you to X-fer to him, he won an online auction for it. The rifle:
1. Was mailed from NY State.
2. Was a STG58/DSA receiver/FAL/post 94 looking rifle(not 100% sure on manf date).
3. Was shipped with 5 Hi-Cap Mags.
4. Was shipped with 50 rounds of ammo in the same case as the rifle.
5. Was shipped with no paper work.
6. Was shipped with a PO Box as the return address(the only contact info).
7. Might have to be returned.

I am not 100% certain but I do not think
1. The rifle is legal to possess in NY state.
2. You are not suppose to mail ammo (or w/ rifle).
3. You ship a firearm without any paper work.
4. You use a PO Box as a return address.
Am I correct on any of these four items? If it needs to be returned can it? (I would assume not) Can the customer keep it and sell it themselves?

I told him the first thing he needs to do is have the customer contact the seller and get his address and phone number. That way he would at least be able to fill out his bound book correctly. Other than that I am not sure what else to tell him.

 

[Henry Bowman]

I am not 100% certain but I do not think
1. The rifle is legal to possess in NY state.
2. You are not suppose to mail ammo (or w/ rifle).
3. You ship a firearm without any paper work.
4. You use a PO Box as a return address.

1. It is no longer in NY. It has been liberated to the United States where it in now legal to possess. Not your problem/crime.
2. You didn't mail it that way. What's done is done. Do you wish to turn them in?
3. What paperwork? No papers are required.
4. What is wrong with this?

Am I correct on any of these four items? If it needs to be returned can it?

The only reason I can think of that it would need to be returned is that the buyer failed the NICS call. It it is not acceptable to the buyer (condition not as represented, etc.), that is not the transfer FFL's problem.

I fail to see a problem here that need to be solved.

 

[StopTheGrays]

1. It is no longer in NY. It has been liberated to the United States where it in now legal to possess. Not your problem/crime.
2. You didn't mail it that way. What's done is done. Do you wish to turn them in?
3. What paperwork? No papers are required.
4. What is wrong with this?
The only reason I can think of that it would need to be returned is that the buyer failed the NICS call. It it is not acceptable to the buyer (condition not as represented, etc.), that is not the transfer FFL's problem.

I fail to see a problem here that need to be solved.

The customer might want to return it because it did not come with all the accessories it was supposed to come with. The customer was told to call the seller and see if it can get squared away.

The paperwork is anything to show where and from whom it came from. A name and PO Box listed as a return address on the outside of the box is not enough info for the bound book (or so I have been told).

The whole situation sounded weird to me and I am just looking to help steer a friend in the right direction and avoid an ATF hassle.

 

[Hkmp5sd]

I also see no problem with the transfer. There is no prohibition on PO boxes being in a bound book. My bound book has numerous receipts from PO box addresses. In fact, Century International Arms used to have their address listed as a PO box.

 

[gezzer]

Our address is a PO Box for usps on our ffl, However we would have sent a copy of our ffl with the shipment but putting ammo with the gun is not right.

 

[Henry Bowman]

The whole situation sounded weird to me and I am just looking to help steer a friend in the right direction and avoid an ATF hassle.

Fair enough. While I don't see anything illegal, you have a legitimate interest in maintaining a good relationship with both your customer and the ATF. You can set (reasonable) that exceed the legal minimum.