Fingerprinted and DNA for CPL - would you do it?

[divemedic]

Printed in 1985 when I was arrested for drag racing (not convicted)
Printed in 1986 when I joined the military
Printed again in 1987 for security clearance
Printed in 1990 when I applied for VA CCW
Printed in 1992 when I was arrested for aggravated battery (charges dropped for lack of evidence, turns out my weapon was the wrong caliber and didn't match the recovered bullets)
Printed in 1995 when I got my FL CCW
Printed in 1996 when I got my state occupational license

I think that answers that.

 

[76shuvlinoff]

Michigan printed all my fingers and my palms for my cpl.
I don't even toss cigar wrappers outta the window. The way I see it, there's no going back now,

 

[TAB]

The state already has my finger prints, several times over for both my contracting lic, several school districts, the CIF, "smart kids"and many more I can't think of.( law says agencys can't share info... yeah its a PITA)

The federal goverment also has my prints from when I was working for an industrail painting contractor and was working on nuclear power plants.

So I have np with the prints, the DNA I have a prob with.

 

[laguna0seca]

Uncle Sam already has mine. So when I did my prints to get my CFP, it bothered me, but I didn't sweat it too much. I still strongly oppose it however. But I would give both probably if i had to, while muttering obscenities under my breath.

 

[twoclones]

I've been printed when joining the Navy and for each of 3 state concealed permits. Didn't like it any of those times.

 

[Dokkalfar]

haha no one seems to like it well at least they dont require dna for most of this stuff. yet

 

[The Lone Haranguer]

If you're in the service they panagraph you, fingerprint you and DNA you. What's the difference?

How to put this delicately ... The DNA is in the event your remains are too badly damaged to identify by visual means. Also, we are applying for a permit to exercise what should be a constitutional right, not enlisting in the military. And fingerprints ought not to be necessary, as criminal record checks can be run just fine without them. I can think of no practical utility for a DNA sample.

 

[Dokkalfar]

well lone haranguer, when they get your dna, they can cross-reference to the national dna database, which tells them what your security risk is based on your genes, what you have done in the past, and also what you had for dinner last night at Olive Garden. Big Brother just watching out for you

 

[indoorsoccerfrea]

forgive me for being slightly off topic...but they can't tell what your diet is from your DNA...

 

[Tirod]

DNA isn't the problem, it's our fear of misuse by a onerous government. I would remind you our Founding Fathers expressed the intent of the 2 Amendment to be the counterweight to onerous government.

Most Government employees - DOD, LEO, etc have been DNA'd for years. Felons are now, too. For decades, many states required birth certificates with heel prints of the newborn. I don't doubt DNA is next.

DNA can be replicated from ONE trace element into a testable quantity that can have billions to one certainty. Saliva, a fragment of hair, skin cells from sweat wiped on a hankerchief, urine, etc etc. We leave DNA traces in much larger testable quantities than fingerprints.

I'd recommend "Forensics for Dummies" to all who have questions about it. Lots to learn there, most of which is why someone would even suspect you to begin with. Controlling access to the scene is primary to reduce cross contamination and raising the number of individuals to eliminate - which can count up into the dozens, the same as fingerprints.

Picking my DNA out of potentially hundreds available at a scene requires other evidence or reason - such as whether it was found on the handle of a pump nozzle at the Stop and Rob, or found in blood at the broken glass countertop near the register.

I have no reason to worry about DNA, can't do much about it anyway. Worry about who you elect.

 

[grimjaw]

I was fingerprinted:

- as a child as part of some local or state law enforcement awareness program;
- for a military security clearance;
- for WA state CPL;
- for AR state CPL.

Kinda too late for me to do anything about it now.

jm

 

[moi_self26]

My concern about the DNA (aside from the obvious invasion of rights) would be more about increasing costs to acquire a CCL. DNA tests are pretty expensive..... which means that you are going to have to pay more somewhere, whether it be in taxes, or in the actual cost of a CCL. I don't think this has ANYTHING to do with security and everything to do with harassing people who chose to exercise their 2A rights.

 

[Eightball]

If it meant keeping my rights (infringed though they might be) and being able to CCW a firearm, as opposed to NOT doing it "on principle" and getting killed, then yeah, I'd do it.

Wouldn't be happy about it, though, and I'd probably look for a lawsuit.

 

[Dokkalfar]

"forgive me for being slightly off topic...but they can't tell what your diet is from your DNA..."

i know, my statement was laced with a bit of sarcasm

but DNA tests are one way they will try to limit firearms from selling, its just a small step on the road to that end.

 

[Macmac]

I voted finger printed only. I have been arrested 4 times and was printed against my will, i was printed against my will for the military, and once more I was willing to be printed to be a gun store clerk.

None of the arrests stuck I have no record.

The FBI needs no DNA since it makes that up as the go... If you are the man the FBI wants, and you give them DNA, what ever DNA you give them is certain to match that found in the crime, no matter what. it happens.

 

[Travis Bickle]

Fingerprinted and DNA for CPL - would you do it?

Depends. If CCW without the permit was a felony, maybe. If CCW without the permit was only a misdemeanor, no way.

 

[leadcounsel]

While I vehemently disagree with it, the powers that be had my fingerprints since I was a little kid through some school program "for my safety."

I've since been fingerprinted for at least two jobs, and given my DNA for one and my panagraph (dental) for one.

It's just part of being in the modern world - and since no leaders stand up against it and I'm a little guy, I do what I'm told.

I protest but comply whenever I give samples to authorities, realizing that I frankly leave DNA and prints in public all the time, and it would be silly to refuse because it would be the same as refusing to have my picture taken in public, and to refuse would deny me opportunity in the world.

 

[SwearNoAllegiance]

I would never let those b*****ds have my DNA. I will not let them treat me like some filthy rapist just because I want to lawfully protect myself. What a loss of dignity. Nor would I allow my fingerprints to be taken even though they are already on file (I suppose, from a child safe program when I was a kid).

 

[-v-]

Well, like a lot of service men and women, the Government already has everything of me except perhaps a retinal scan, and even then it's shaky.

Printed in early 1990's because I was born outside the country (honestly what do you need a 8 year old's fingerprints for anyway?!)
Printed in 2006 for GA concealed permit
Printed in 2008 for TN concealed permit
"The Works" in late 2008 when I was going for my commission in the Army
Printed in 2009 for my occupational license

However, I am still vehemently opposed to willy nilly collecting information on citizens. If you have a good reason, fine. But "just in case" is not a good one. I think Stalin once said "If you're a law-abiding citizen, what should you fear from the government?" as his country men found out, a whole lot.

 

[mokin]

Getting fingerprinted is no big deal after the first two or three times....

I was fingerprinted when I went into the service.

Again when I went to work for the state.

Another time when I became a search and rescue diver for the sheriff.

Yet again when I was licensed as a substitute teacher, and, most recently,
when I applied for my CCW.

I was told it was to conduct background investigations to make sure my prints were not associated with any crimes. The reason I've had to keep getting fingerprinted (they say) is the records are destroyed after each investigation.

 

[TRGRHPY]

Like others, I have also been printed many times before. The strangest reason was for a salesman's license in CA. (???) The only remotely relavent reason given was to eliminate my prints from any possible stolen vehicle/motorcycle, since mine would be all over and I would likely not be an authorized user of the vehicle by the new owner. But even that reason was more of a guess than a stated policy.

I would give DNA, but really don't see the point of them having it for any other use than to build a database. I see no lawful reason for them to have DNA of a law-abiding citizen.

 

[RaferJanders]

I already have a bio metric Id card for work, and I have CPL, also My military record is on file, So who cares about DNA, I mean I am not a crimnal. Oh Ok you guys are talking about the "Brave New World" right, I draw the line at implants ok. When you want to roll around packed that is the price you pay. If not than don't carry a firearm.

 

[RaferJanders]

Swear No Allegiance, Wow so you do not believe in fingerprinting people that carry concealed? Hmmm
Well I don't know were you live that lets you get a permit to carry without fingerprints? If you are carring without a permit than you are breaking the Law! and if you think the 2nd Amendment protects you, You are sadly mistaken, Buy carring a weapon without a permit and when you are caught and you will be caught, You might go to jail you might not, But it will cost you more money than just going and getting the permit. Besides you are giving Anti Gunners another news story!

 

[larry_minn]

As far as I know all my prints were pulled BEFORE things got computerized. I have them right here. I did the class/paperwork but didn't send in check because they required fingerprint card.
I don't trust the government/labs. I have had a carry permit for over 20 yrs. We do have a right of privacy. I have no problem with convicted felons as they lose some rights.

 

[JImbothefiveth]

I might give a DNA sample, although if the test is painfull, I'll just open carry. (Don't need a permit in my state.)