Firearm questions asked by health ins co.

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I'm fat, ride an old stroker Harley, own and shoot guns, drink beer (not while riding and/or shooting), put REAL 1/2 & 1/2 in my coffee, eat REAL butter, and do other things frowned upon by the health nazis. Who wants to live to be 90 if all you eat is tofu and never do anything remotely dangerous? Life is dangerous- that's the difference between living and playing a video game. And I leave questions I find offensive or snooping (SSN is one too) blank. >Bleep< 'em. :cuss:
 
But if I answer untruthfully about my guns and the claim has nothing to do with guns, then I'm confident that the insurance company would have to cover the loss.
Have you ever actually read all that small print in your insurance contracts? If your signing the contract to the effect that all the questions are true and you were in fact, lying about anything, but especially something they specifically asked you up front, its on you. If you give them the slightest reason not to pay, they will jump on it. Think I'm kidding? Just ask around down south. "Was it wind, or was it water?" ;)

The insurance companies routinely refuse to pay on anything they think they can get away with, and thats for stuff that they ARE bound by contract to pay. How well do you think your going to make out on something you willfully falsified?
 
How well do you think your going to make out on something you willfully falsified?

As I said in my post, there has to be some nexus between the question and the claim. If they ask what color your eyes are and you answer that they are brown (when in fact they are blue) and your house later burns down due to an electrical problem, do you think that invalidates your insurance coverage? If so, I'd like to be your insurance agent. :D
 
A couple years back they asked my son at the doctors office and in school.Thats just not right and unconstitutional as far as I'm concernd.I have smart kids.....
 
If they ask what color your eyes are and you answer that they are brown (when in fact they are blue) and your house later burns down due to an electrical problem, do you think that invalidates your insurance coverage?
If you signed the contract stating that they are, then it doesnt matter what happens to the house or why, you've given them an out because you lied, thus voiding the contract.

Hey I understand what your saying, but after what I went through the last year or so just because of a dog and perfectly good wood stove, I'm certainly not willing to bet on it. They can easily add firearms to the list, and there is little you can do if they do.

While you may feel that your 110% in the right, and even if you were, it doenst mean that they still just say, no way, and make you get a lawyer and fight them. Its no skin off their butts and they have nothing to lose by draging their feet and evertything to gain. Now since you still have to pay the bank for the note, (and usually the insurance bill in the escrow to boot) and all the local entities their taxes, you have no place to live, and your not sure that you have a leg to stand on in the first place, since your the one who affirmed that you were telling the truth and entering the contract in good faith. Whats the plan now?
 
That's what the lawyer is for. You don't have to take that crap. They took your money in premiums and offered you certain coverages. You incurred a legitimate loss and filed a claim for it. They can't legally get out of paying that claim just because you answered incorrectly on some irrelevant point.

Of course, if you want to lay down and let the insurance company walk all over you, that's your problem.
 
Oh, and insurance companies are evil.

Impossible. A corporation or other non-human entity cannot be evil or good. Those are moral designations that can only be applied to human beings with concious choice. A fox eating a rabbit isn't evil, it is an animal. A hammer used in a murder isn't evil, it is a misused tool. A company that assesses risk and charges for covering said risk it isn't evil, it is called a studious company. Now, the people inside the company can and may be evil, but the company itself cannot be evil. We shouldn't say the same ridiculous things about companies that antis say about our guns, in both cases it makes us look like morons.

For all the paranoia displayed in this thread you would think that the insurance company or health professional did something nefarious. Well, guess what, they probably didn't. You might not like the questions but if you want coverage then you have to answer them. If you want a complete treatment, then you need to answer those questions. It is funny how mixed up we as gun owners can be when it comes to using our logic on non-gun issues.

Insurance companies assess risk and to do that they ask questions. If they believe that owning a firearm raises the chance of a firearm related injury, then they will want to make sure they cover that in their risk assessment. They may have a result from their data that shows them that motorcycle riding gun owners are 15.2% more likely to be involved in a firearm related injury. Just like they may have one that says a father of 2 that drives a Prius and owns a gun is 15.2% less likely to be involved in a firearm related injury. It isn't personal, it is merely data used to help them understand risk. This is no different than insurance companies using credit scores to track risk, there is a correllation.

It is funny that you don't hear about people with great credit scores who manage risk complaining about the lower rate they get, do you? How many of non-smokers complain about the lower rate they pay compared to smokers? Ever hear about those in-shape people bitching that they don't get charged as much as an obese person? Logic dictates that you get charged more for the bigger risk that you are. Face it, owning guns IS A RISK FACTOR, there can be no refuting that fact. Don't let your personal feelings of what constitutes moral behaivor and what doesn't get in the way of logic. Drinking, smoking, being overweight, owning guns, riding a motorcycle, mountain biking, and so many other activities are risky. The more risk they can assign to the risky people, the less the rest of the lower risk population pays. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that, unless of course you are mad because behavior you think is acceptable happens to be risky. This isn't a lunatic prohibition group like MADD pushing to keep you from drinking or the VPC from owning guns on "health" grounds. This is an insurance company charging you based on the risk that YOU WILLINGLY take on in your life.

Certainly there is pressure to make guns a risk factor for political motives. However, before you put on the tinfoil, why not call the insurance company or write them to get an answer. If they write back and say that they heard from Rebecca Peters that firearm ownership is bad and they are trying to stamp it out with their questionaire, well, there you go. Post that letter and I'll take it all back.
 
I'm sixty-nine years old this month (born in 1939) and have never paid a damn cent in health insurance or life insurance. I have not seen a doctor since my last flight physical (I'm a private pilot with over three thousand hours) except last summer due to a severely burn on my left palm from leaning on a hot tiller exhaust while pulling the start rope with my right hand. I called three pharmacies in the area and none of them would sell me the silvadyne or silvadene ointment for the burn without a prescription. I bagged the hand in ice and went to the big hospital in the county seat as it was the closest ER. I explained all I wanted was a prescription for the burn ointment silvadene and had extensive experience with treating my own burns. No, oh no they insisted on doing an entire triage, doctor listened to my heart, lungs, palpitated my lymph nodes, thumped my back while listening to me breathe in and out, etc. When he was done he finally wrote the prescription and made the comment that for a sixty-eight year old I was in really great shape and that I obviously lived a healthy life and didn't smoke etc. He was really pissed when I informed him I had been a two or three pack a day smoker since I was fifteen years old and for the past twenty years had switched to a pipe and went through about a pound and a half of tobacco a month, inhaling and enjoying the hell out of life in general.
 
My wife and I recently invested some money in an annuity, and we also each got a $500,000 separate life insurance policies. We were never asked any questions about guns during the application process - which included a medical exam.

OTH, hunting did come up in casual conversation, and it turned out that both the insurance guys we spoke with were gun enthusiasts.

I have my complaints about the cost of health insurance, and the bad faith under which it is sold, but I've never had an issue concerning guns and insurance.

...which reminds me that I need to add some new guns to my homeowner's policy.
 
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