U.S. Army Mental Health Survey Concerning Private Firearms Ownership

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I would HATE to try to certify a survey by inflicting it on the army

ONE of three things will happen
All answers marked A or pattern, I've done really nice patters, worked out a flower pattern once.

all answers the 'normal' expected answer, hell on the statical reliability model, and there should be questions in the survey to 'detect' that sort of answerer

the self 'censer' even worse than above as it will skirt quite a few of the detection questions.

And of course my favorite, almost a military special - - the obscene language version of 'no thank you' I had a friend work out a pattern for that, but I could never remember it.
 
As an Australian I have to agree with Rocketmedic. Registration does preceed confiscation. Para P16-40, Bul M5 polymer 1911, Beretta Tomcat, Beretta Elite II, S&W Model 60, 640 & 66 were my personal casualties in the war on guns. I replaced them with firearms that are compliant with the current laws, but there is nothing to stop the politicians from coming around again.

When mental health 'professionals' start asking about personal firearms a polite none of your business is required. At least here in Australia the gun control lobby was founded with a grant from the psychiatric college, is run out of the University of Sydneys mental health area and every mass shooter we have had has been in the mental health system first. When they are competent enough to recognise a nutter and not set him loose on society, then they might have reason to ask questions.

I'm in a different country, so your mileage may vary, but the fact that the people responsible for training, hiring and promoting the Fort Hood shooter have not been publicly dismissed, while an army wide questionaire about individual gun ownership has been distributed suggests that the same mind set of never aknowledging professional failures while using private gun ownership as a whipping boy exists in the USA too.
 
Radagast
Don't worry, I guess that sentiment flies free, cause we got it here too.
in the military, they have an issue
seems the guys who REALLY need and would benefit from mental health, don't. They fear the system for good reason, and understand that the system screws you. That tracks out to the Veterans

questionnaires like this aren't well received.
 
I for one am sick and tired of private firearms ownership being portrayed as a sign of mental illness or a predisposition to commit crime. I am also sick and tired of the U.S. military treating its Soldiers like children and criminals. As a Non-Commissioned Officer with an unblemished service record to be asked whether I am war criminal and a drug addict is bad enough but to lump in my choice to carry firearms off post in compliance with all applicable laws and statutes with that type of behavior is disgusting. Apparently the lawful carry of a firearm to defend yourself and your family is an indicator of mental illness and maladjustment. Wonderful.
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Kind of sounds like split personality disorder? After all they are giving you access to mortars, artillery, tanks, nuclear bombs by God! And yet they are afraid of you having access to weapons. Real Cuckoo behavior.

But you did understand, after you take the King’s Shilling they own you?

Your owners are subject to weird mood changes.

Rule number two of the Government is minimize scandal, and rule number three is path of least resistance.

Some pansy shrink head in an air conditioned office came up with a profile and they are trying to find who fits. To minimize scandal.

Your chain of command, going well past the Pentagon, does not like the fact that more Soldiers suicide than get killed in combat, find it embarrassing when a Soldier suffering PTSD goes nut case and wacks a few family members, and is caught butt naked when a Medical Doctor they trusted , Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, turns out to be a Jihadi and takes out 13 soldiers.

It is all about control. And it is the path of least resistance. It is a lot easier to implement controls on a submissive work force than fix the long deployments and get us out of an unpopular war.

Just stick it out, there will be more idiocy from the guys in charge, there will be different idiocy from the next group. In time all polices end up back at the starting point.

Thank you for your service to our country.
 
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Your chain of command, going well past the Pentagon, does not like the fact that more Soldiers suicide than get killed in combat, find it embarrassing when a Soldier suffering PTSD goes nut case and wacks a few family members, and is caught butt naked when a Medical Doctor they trusted , Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, turns out to be a Jihadi and takes out 13 soldiers.
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Could it be that people with suisidal tendancies are drawn to dangerous occupations like the military? There is also a high rate of suicide for risk takers with other dangerous lifestyles such as recreational drug users.
 
Actually there is SOME (I'll give you a little bit)
of truth in that

But it's a HUGE step from someone with a risk taking personality to suicide, most of the family issues are from stupid policies that interfere with family time and family member deciding that since they don't have to deal with it, the won't.
 
It is indeed one of the new Stryker brigades, and it totally sucks. We couldn't fight our way out of a wet paper bag.
 
Rocket, YOU don't get to say that until your NCO navigates you in the middle of a Impact area, when it's HOT...

Yeah, he was banned from giving directions after that.
 
It is indeed one of the new Stryker brigades, and it totally sucks. We couldn't fight our way out of a wet paper bag.
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it took 4 years before 4/2ID's leadership started to get it right. Even then, some of it sucked.
 
Don't worry. One of our brilliant NCO squad leaders gave a platoon three times the max dose of Benadryl with the mistaken idea that it would 'help them sleep because they're grumpy and irritable because it's hot.'

Benadryl is pretty much the opposite of right for heat exhaustion. But he's an NCO, and so can do no wrong!

Back to the guns- registering them on-post isn't a bad thing in and of itself. However, there's always the likelyhood that the information will be used against us- and if firearms are further restricted, you can bet that leaders will rapidly enhance their own careers by taking our guns. Nothing makes an LT or SFC look better on his evaluations then swift, rapid, effective implementation of orders and policy.
 
Send your troops down the same dangerous path day after day.
Don't let them win.
Let them watch their buddies die by the hands of an enemy that won't show himself.
Prevent him from conducting meaningful operations.
Let him watch a few more friends die, let him receive a purple heart for his visible injuries.
Make them play border guard between two borders that don't want them there.
Prevent him from conducting any missions that solve any problems.

Question their mental state when and if they make it home.

Yeah,,,,sounds like business as usual,,,,:mad:
 
Sounds like a lot of misunderstanding in the posts above. If you could see things from a different viewpoint you might have a change of opinion. Unfortunately nobody can see all the different viewpoints so there will always be mixed and contrasting opinions.

Please don't think I am saying any of you are wrong, or even that I am disagreeing. Just stating that sometimes there are reasons for things that aren't seen.
 
What's likely going on is an effort to link gun ownership and insanity. They hope that when a handful of soldiers crack they can point and say "See he owns guns." This effort will fail as many more sane people own guns than insane. Just leave it blank, it's none of their business.

It is alarming the anti-gun culture that exists in the modern military. It's paradoxical.
 
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What's likely going on is an effort to link gun ownership and insanity. They hope that when a handful of soldiers crack they can point and say "See he owns guns." This effort will fail as many more sane people own guns than insane. Just leave it blank, it's none of their business.

It is alarming the anti-gun culture that exists in the modern military. It's paradoxical.
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What about the possibility for distribution of access to mental health treatment based on correlations about susceptibility to conditions such as PTSD? If being a gun owner is a sign of elevated risk, shouldn't the resources be spent to address that?
 
You don't get it.
Mental Health
in the military is VERY STRONGLY LINKED to
Loss of advancement opportunity
loss of friends
ridicule

THERE is a HUGE amount of negativity associated with mental health
link that NEGATIVITY - with the truthful paranoia that arises from being in an ARMED profession with supervisors and policies that are blatantly ANTI GUN....
 
Shadow 7D said:
You don't get it.
Mental Health
in the military is VERY STRONGLY LINKED to
Loss of advancement opportunity
loss of friends
ridicule

THERE is a HUGE amount of negativity associated with mental health
link that NEGATIVITY - with the truthful paranoia that arises from being in an ARMED profession with supervisors and policies that are blatantly ANTI GUN....
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It sounds like there's a systemic problem with a negative perception of mental health within the military. That kind of ignorance regarding treatment can only contribute to the numbers of people that go undiagnosed and untreated. How many timebombs do we have in the military waiting to go off? Is something rotten in the state of Denmark?
 
The military has tried to get really PTSD/depression/mental health friendly since the war started, since they keep breaking Joes down range. But that's the official stance, not the day to day practice. And no one in their right mind (no pun intended) would trust the "we're okay with mental health issues" policy to continue once peace breaks back out and people start scrabbling over draw down level promotion slots, etc.
 
So now we have the DOD telling everyone troops are really as crazy as they thought.
That will really help them getting a job.

AFS
formerly a baby killer.
 
+1. That's the official policy, but not what actually happens. Even they officials aren't making the right changes to make a difference.
 
In the 1960s the Soviet Union dealt with dissidents by labeling them as "mental" and locking them up "for their own good". In the military's case I wonder if the training methods are at fault. When I went through BCT we received bayonet training-"WHAT'S THE SPIRIT OF THE BAYONET! TO KILL!!!"
and troops in Vietnam were attacked as cold blood killers who would gun down anyone in their way-"Babykillers!" was a common epithet. Now in today's "kinder, gentler effeminate action" military the idea that war means combat and combat means killing has been discarded in favored of uniformed social work.
I note the Army I served in 1967-1971 was something of a pantywaist outfit.
Rifle and pistol teams had disappeared, and those who tried to revive them were slapped down, the gun enthusiast was derided as a nut.
Also I wonder about PTSD, it's become an all purpose explanation and excuse-like "autism" or "schizoprhenia". In the 1970s there were all sorts of lurid stories about the "crazed Vietnam vet." On close examination it was found that many of those claiming PTSD had been disciplinary problems, drug users, received an OTH discharge-and thought getting it upgraded was a simple admnistrative matter. Many were found to have either never served in Vietnam or were rear echelon types who saw no combat.
And you have an anti-gun administration that derides gun owners as "bitter individuals who cling to guns and religion". Naturally they will try to paint gun owners as mental cases in need of medication and too untrustworthy to have
"Second Amendment PRIVILEGES".
 
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