Firearms - The new health threat.

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it isn't just certain groups trying to treat guns as a medical problem, schools are actively teaching guns as a health issue.

I can remember when they were saying nuclear war was a medical problem. I pointed out to one doctor that it's really a public sanitation problem -- lots of dead bodys needing to be disposed of, and I'd take advice from a garbageman over him.:D
 
Well, how many out there have gone for a physical, and the doctor asks, while reading off a long list of obvious health threats, if you if keep a gun at home? After my last physical, I responded that I would not answer that question (I live in Washington D.C) and my doctor was totally rattled--"Then I hope you keep them locked up," -- unwillingly I do keep them locked up, as a law abiding citizen, they are locked up in Virginia.
 
Ask for references to the scientific evidence for the assessment of gun ownership or "access" as a risk factor. Evaluate it as you would any other evidence regarding medical practice. Good luck.

John
 
If firearms come up, invite your doc to go shooting with you. You'd be suprised what a (good) doctor will do to understand the culture of their patients. Many of the med students at my school are completely ignorant about guns, and its not their fault. Its exposure to guns in the media and lack of real exposure. Firearm ownership can be a sensible, responsible, safe thing, and they need to know that.
A smart-alecky reply will probably make your doctor think what I think when I read them on here. That's not very flattering for firearm enthusiasts.
AVESguy, I bookmarked your sights and may join when I get a chance to look through them thoroughly. And no, I'm not part of the AMA.
Just a Dude, I've thought that many times. I wish more people understood.
 
I've been through health-related graduate courses, firearms were mentioned in passing if at all. No doubt the faculty was anti (for the most part - my favorite professor was a good old boy), but they kept it pretty professional.

Can't say I've ever had a physician ask me about guns, though. I guess they've all been pretty substandard, I don't get asked a battery of irrelevant questions every time I go in.
 
Facts to Ponder

Number of physicians in the U.S. = 700,000.
Accidental deaths of patients caused by doctors per year = 120,000
Accidental deaths per physician per year = 0.171
Statistics courtesy of U.S. Dept of Health & Human Services

Number of gun owners in the U.S. = 80,000,000
Number of accidental gun deaths, per year, all age groups included = 1,500
Number of accidental gun deaths per gun owner= 0.000188
Statistics courtesy of the FBI

So, statistically doctors are approximately 910 times more
dangerous than gun owners. Please, write to your Congressmen
and demand action. We must outlaw doctors! It’s for the
children!
 
Well, how many out there have gone for a physical, and the doctor asks, while reading off a long list of obvious health threats, if you if keep a gun at home? After my last physical, I responded that I would not answer that question (I live in Washington D.C) and my doctor was totally rattled--"Then I hope you keep them locked up,"

The response is, "Then I hope you don't expect me to pay for the time you spend asking questions that are none of your business, and giving unwanted advice in a non-medical area."
 
this is so stupid. Yes, it makes sense for medical professionals to advocate a safer lifestyle. This covers everything from smoking, overeating, speeding, wearing seatbelt, helmets, etc.

What it doesn't cover is outright falsehood, and that is what it seems is being spread now. *** is with worrying about workplace shootings? That concern should be right next to 'Stay home, because if you drive a car you could be in an accident'

For some of the stuff, sure it's 'That guy is VERY overweight, and smokes a pack a day, but at least I convinced him to wear his seatbelt' so ever little bit counts. But for others, like 'do you live in a home with guns, is there a higher than average rate of gun ownership in your state?' That's like not bothering to tell the fat man to excersize more and smoke less, but recommend he take a motorcycle to his family reunion rather than fly in a plane, because when planes crash you probably die., and if you go 150 MPH on the bike, you may actually get there faster if you factor in boarding time, waiting for luggage, and that other stuff!!!!
 
So a semester has ended.

I intended to keep silent about the entire subject, however, a spy I am not. It just so happens one of my classmates happens to enjoy guns a bit. Like has a carry permit, and has a Glock. Like, owns an AR15. Turns out, without even realizing it, I had mentioned guns and when we were alone he chatted with me about his/mine. Decent fellow.

It gets better. Among the women...

One confided in me when we were alone and eating lunch she sleeps with a pistol near her. Just earlier today another girl mentioned she always feels safer with her boyfriend because...he has a gun. She happened to mention this in front of a group, and a few heads nodded.

And yet it gets even better.

The tests we had to take were some kind of requirement for us to get into hospitals, a JCAHO one I believe. Not one our local School Of Nursing had control over. The SON does however control the textbook we use. And in Chapter 26 (the one on Safety, Security, and Emergency Preparedness) on page 617 in Table 26-1 (for anyone who may have the textbook, it is Fundamentals of Nursing, Taylor, Lillis, LeMone, 5th Ed, 2005) a little gem appeared.

What is this gem? The gem is a list of accidental deaths (2000), from the US DoCommerce(in 2002). It lists both total deaths, and the rate per 100k. Anyone wanna guess where I am going?


Type of Death # Rate
Motor Vehicle Accidents: 41,804 15.2
Firearms and handguns* 808 0.3
Drowning 3343 1.2
Fire and flames* 3265 1.2
Poisoning/exposure to noxious substances 9893 3.6
Complications of medical-surgical care** 2886 1.0


*-I laughed, becuase it was redundant.
**-Bolded for pretty obvious reasons. Keep in mind, this was published in a nursing book.

Look at the significance of that chart! A Nursing textbook is showing hard proof that guns are less dangerous than modern medicine! If you look, you also can note that firearms are the only catagory listed that have fewer deaths than medicinal.

I have to admit, when I started putting things together, I got a good feeling. Perhaps all is not lost.
 
About 5 1/2 years ago I was still living in Baltimore and I had just started receiving home visits from a PT nurse. This service is run by Johns Hopkins Medical System . I was mostly confined to a wheelchair.

The first day that therapy was to start the nurse knocked and I let her in. Up until the day she started I kept a Taurus PT92-AFS 9mm in an Uncle Mikes holster clipped to the right side of my wheelchair. I was always aware that it was next to me,yet having it was as normal as getting washed and dressed in the morning.

No sooner she gets in the door that I see that now she is starting to freak out a little. The "wide eyed deer in the headlights look" should've told me something was amiss!

It finally dawned on me why she was scared to death, I apologized and then I stashed it away. A few minutes later PT commenced.

Early the next morning I get a call from my doctor regarding my having a gun within reach. We know each other fairly good, and believe it or not he's one hell of a doctor!

I told him that it would be kinda useless to have one if it was out of reach, then in the same breath I asked him, "What, you never heard of an armed wheelchair"? Before the call was over I told him about the kind of neighborhood that it was regarding drugs,B & E's, drive-by's etc. He understood, however, he did ask that I put it out of sight until she left.

The following morning I had a chat with the nurse and I told her that if it bothered her that much, all she had to do was ask that I put it up while she was here. All I got was a mumble. When I explained that calling 911 about a B & E in progress, and the guy is high on crack or whatever, you have to protect your self with what ever means possible! Being disabled doesn't mean having to be someones PREY! Finally she understood!


CI
 
Thats Maryland, I guess. I will give you points though, I would have said "Look, if the nurse hasn't got the guts to come, send someone else." Granted I take patient safety seriously, and were I the nurse, I would have chastized you for not having a Glock. (Kidding.)
 
A couple f years ago, I went for my first visit with a recommended surgeon. He entered the room directly from lunch, took off his motorcycle jacket, hung up his helmet and shucked off his shoulder holster and stuch it in the drawer. I'm now thinking "My kinda guy!" :D During the exam, he mentions that I would have to wear a certain type of pants during recovery and turned to examine my pants, hanging beside the door. He took one look and asked over his shoulder, "What brand IWB do you wear?" He explained he could see the wear on the belt where the holster normally lives.

Definitely, not all doctors are anti-gun.

Pops
 
At the risk

of stepping on a toe or two . . .

You want to keep a sharp eye on the practitioners of the psych "sciences" and those medicos whose "strengths" and leanings go in the direction of behavioral modification.

There has for years been an undercurrent (and not very far under) in the psych "professions" to curtail personal rights and freedoms.

It is from that sector that you get the redefinition of "unwanted" behaviors (like owning guns) as "unhealthy" and dangerous.

Your normal everyday doctor is a very advanced plumber with a good grasp of complex physical systems and their chemistry. He is your friend. He can fix that broken leg, treat that allergy, and (in my own case) repair that hernia.

The shrink community, while it does contain many bona fide practitioners whose sole aim is the restoration of balance and sanity to their patients, is disproportionately populated by opportunist snake oil power leaches.

ANYTHING can be interpreted as a "mental illness" and "treated" with medications -- often without so much as a blood test to see what chemistry is already extant -- which medications are largely aimed at creating a quieter and more tractable population.

During my decade of working with rehab and related issues, the harshest and most frequent attacks on our activities were aimed at those programs that got the best results over the broadest base of people. These attacks were uniformly orchestrated by the mind bender community.

This led me to look into what the heck was happening.

There are close ties between the methods of propogating socialism and the "mental health" guys. The more mental health "expertise" we import into our schools, the worse they perform. And the more we wonder what the heck is happening to our kids.

Socialism is the message, and institutional mental health is the carrier.

Behavior modification of society dressed as "health issues" is lately one of their favorites.

I believe, in another post, I mentioned that they don't need to outlaw guns if they can declare "wanting to own a gun" as a form of mental illness. Then, of course, weapons could only be owned by those who don't want them.

Watch your six.
 
sole aim is the restoration of balance and sanity to their patients

Have they put a check box for "sane" on their evaluation form yet? If not then their sole aim is not achievable. Nice job security there. :uhoh:
 
Yeah, as a nursing student you're going to run into a lot of this type of crap. Don't get me wrong- I have a great deal of respect for nurses and the job that they do. But I went to nursing school for 9 months, and dropped out because I couldn't take it anymore. I went back to school, and got my prerequisites to get into med school as a PA. I saw that if I ever worked a floor, I would slash my wrists within 3 days. It's now 23 years since I dropped out, and 18 since I graduated from PA school. GOD am I happy that I did.
 
Arfin definitely hit the nail dead on on the subject of "mental health" professionals. Many of them are just two steps above a rubber chicken and a rattle.

It's real scary to think that all these lettered and doctoral types need to do
is come up with a fancy name used to describe an affinity for firearms, call it
a mental disorder and use that as a means to prevent you from owning a gun.

Just one of the many sneaky backdoor gun ban agendas being explored by
the one world government traitors.
 
We should make a distiction here. There are medical doctors that are psychiatrists. They study the medical diseases of the brain. Most, but not all, also use pyschology.
A pyschologist is NOT a medical doctor. It is amongst the pyschologists that most of the quacks reside, and it is the pyscologists that are primarily the socialists. Pyschologists are the social workers and such.
Of course, not all of them are that way, many are good serious folks who truely want to help people, but there a huge number of socialists in their ranks.
My rule of thumb is: most people that are interested in pyscology are interested because they want to find out why they are so messed-up (we all are in one form or another, so this is understandable). When you take that to the PhD level, that really tells you how messed-up they are:neener:
I took a couple of senior level psy classes as an undergrad. On of my professors was great. He explain right from the start that pyschology was a pesudo-science. That while many good psychologist tried very hard to apply scientific principles to their studies, the complexity of humans made it nearly impossible to truely do this. That was a very interesting and very well done class--Human Growth and Development, if I recall.

Back on guns, most of what I have seen about anti-gun stuff has been from the AMA medical community. They are looking at, and want to deal with, the gun violence (primarily from gangs) as a medical problem. IMHO, they are simply applying their hammer to a nail they see (even though it may really be a screw).
 
Well, how many out there have gone for a physical, and the doctor asks, while reading off a long list of obvious health threats, if you if keep a gun at home?

If a doctor had the nerve to ask me that, I'd say, "No," and then wait a beat, and say, "I keep it on me."
 
Col. Grossman

Retired Col. David Grossman calls unarmed guads speed bumps. It slows down a committed killer only about a second. Armed people are sheep dogs protecting the sheep.
 
Hmm so they feed this load to nurses...:barf:

So how come my Dr's and the EMT's I know enjoy owning firearms and shooting :confused: Quite the complex situation, last time I saw my Dr she asked if I had a good time shooting with her husband, he's an EMT... He introduced me to the S&W Model 29 :D
 
This would likely explain why there's so many assaults of nurses leaving work in the middle of the night in hospital parking lots.

Easy targets.
 
Arfin's points are well taken. Dedicated social engineers have great imagination and will go to great lengths to get their way.

On doctors-Besides my wife, my chiropractor is my shooting buddy and fellow firearms enthusiast. Also my kids' pediatric ophthalmologist is the local NRA rep and runs the NRA booth at all the gun shows as well as the annual dinner/auction!! Can't get better than that! We always talk guns when I bring the kids in for their annual.

AVESGUY
 
Shooting For Therapy

For those into mental health . . .

It is pretty much accepted and, in my experience, observably true, that extroverts tend to be healthier than introverts.

One of the more important points of emphasis in rehab is to extrovert the subject. As he becomes more aware of his surroundings and more engaged with his environment, his level of control of that environment improves, his morale improves, and the boogie men have less influence in his life.

Hardly rocket science. Almost too obvious.

There were any number of exercises available to us for this. We used touch and release drills, played catch (you know, with a ball), used frisbees, skipped rocks on ponds. Anything that required the subject's attention and focus to go outward. Even bowling helps, but some subjects weren't strong enough.

In those places where it was possible, one of the recommended activities was . . . wait for it . . . target shooting. As therapy. Even air rifles are better than nothing. Because this requires certain fine motor skills, it was usually something undertaken later on, after the coarser means were used to get the guy looking outward.

For those of you who've always felt that shooting was therapeutic, I can confirm that validity of that: it is valid and effective therapy.

Feeling a little caved by life? Go shooting. Can't go shooting? Throw something. Can't throw something? Find someplace where you can spit.

Health and morale are a function of looking out at the world and having some control of it. When you reach out and touch it, you have to look there.

So, ladies and gentlemen, save your sanity: go shooting.
 
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