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First Ar15!

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by josiewales, Sep 14, 2013.

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  1. josiewales

    josiewales Member

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    Ok, it's not mine REALLY. It's actually my dad's, but I live at home so same thing. :) It is a Bushmaster Carbon 15 my dad got at Cabelas during their sale. It has the red dot scope which, surprisingly, isn't complete junk. The Ar itself has decent ergonomics and is pretty accurate. The red dot scope isn't a precision optic, but I managed under 1.5 inch groups at 50 yards. I am convinced it could do much better with a good scope. Probably the best thing about the Ar is the trigger. No creep, no wiggle, a little heavy but very crisp. I real pleasure to shoot. Time will tell how reliable the Ar is, but for now I am very happy. I have friends in Georgia, and am planning a hog hunting down there next year, and def. going to take it.
    Next year I will be 18 and I am planning to celebrate my coming of legal age by buying my own Ar. I'm hoping to get a S&W M&P 15 with Magpul accessories.

    Anyway, thanks for letting me ramble for a little bit. In case you couldn't have guessed, I am a little young, so ANY advice, tips or just general knowledge about Ar15s is appreciated.

    Thanks, and have a good weekend,
    Josey
     
  2. allaroundhunter

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    The GI trigger (what your gun has) is actually quite poor compared to aftermarket ones.

    Do yourself a favor and don't shoot a Geissele, Timney, or AR Gold or you will be dropping some money on one...
     
  3. josiewales

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    That maybe true, but I still like it. :) When I get my Ar I would like to put a Timney trigger in it.
     
  4. gotigers

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    Some milspec triggers can be quite good. My S&W M&P15A has a sweet trigger. Almost no creep or extra travel. I put JP yellow springs and it breaks at 4.5lbs. However, I agree. Don't shoot a Timney or Geissele. I have both.

    By lots of bulk ammo and shoot the mess out of it. You will find that it is an expensive addiction. Welcome to the sickness.

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    What will you be doing with the AR? Plinking, training, matches(several types), 3 gun, target, etc? Some triggers can serve different applications much better than others.
     
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  5. MattShlock

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    Enjoy, be safe, and good hunting!

    And for the hogs -- select the right ammo young man.
     
  6. josiewales

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    Probably target and woodchuck hunting mostly(don't worry I'll make sure it's legal).




    Yes sir. I am thinking about this http://www.midwayusa.com/product/16...ton-64-grain-hollow-point-lead-free-box-of-20

    or this
    http://www.code3tactical.com/rem-hog-hammer-223rem-62gr-tsx-20.aspx
     
  7. ironworkerwill

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    A guy I work with/ my girlfriend's cousin has one. The BM C15 is one of amazement and amusement. I definitely could not afford to shoot the thing because at the range I was like a greedy kid with candy. My turn, my turn!
     
  8. WinThePennant

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    Mil-spec triggers aren't THAT bad.

    Try throwing in some KNS anti-rotation pins, and a QMS (Quality Mil-Spec) trigger. A nice combination. The KNS anti-rotation pins really smooth out a mil-spec trigger.
     
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    That's very similar to my first one, also a Bushmaster. I now have two ARs and have spent more money on them than my first car. You can get hooked.

    Enjoy it! A little practice and some good ammo should definitely get you a hog.
     
  10. MistWolf

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    KNS pins are not needed. They tend to be soft and a little undersized. The best and cheapest way to fix up a standard AR trigger is to remove it, clean it and lube the pivot points, contact sears and the bottom of the hammer. It will go a long way towards making the trigger smoother and predicatable. Don't spend a dime on pins, triggers or springs until you clean & lube whoat you've got. Simple non-sulfur and non-graphite grease will work fine. Some fire control groups in polymer lowers are also made of polymer
     
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    KNS pins keep your pins from walking out on you. A side benefit is that they smooth out a trigger.
     
  12. MistWolf

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    The pins of a properly installed FCG will not walk. Geissele tells folks not to use KNS pins with their triggers because the pins are the wrong diameter and are soft. You want a smooth AR trigger? Lube it. Works everytime and it's as cheap as it gets
     
  13. Fishbed77

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    Well, none of these triggers are "GI" or "milspec" because they aren't select-fire. ;)

    That said, the feel of "standard" AR triggers vary widely. I've shot some that truly do suck. But I've shot others that are actually quite good. An example of some rather good ones are the standard AR trigger groups from PSA that I have in two of my AR builds. Neither are very light (at 6 lbs) but both have a consistent and crisp break, are quite smooth.

    Yes, the feel of a Geissele trigger blows them away, but you will only see results if you are doing some serious precision work, which is not the domain of most 16" carbines.
     
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    Do you have a link where they say to not use KNS pins with a QMS Mil-Spec trigger? I am looking, but can not find anything saying that.
     
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    Ok, after a bit of digging around, I found where somebody posted an email they received from Bill G-
    Link to the thread- http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=47476
     
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    That's Geissele. Not ALG Defense (makers of QMS). Now I know there is a relationship between the two (Amy started ALG), but they are not the same trigger.

    I still think the QMS will work just fine with KNS pins. It is, after all, a mil-spec trigger.

    That information you provided is the first time I've heard anyone say that KNS pins are soft. They are made of stainless steel. It is true that chrome moly is harder than stainless steel, but stainless steel is still very hard.
     
  18. MistWolf

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    Depending what alloy of stainless steel is used and whether or not it's been hardened
     
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    "Stainless steel" is a rather vague term that doesn't actually tell you all that much about the steel in question/its properties.

    Kind of like "aircraft grade aluminum".

    As a general rule, if a manufacturer, marketer, retailer, etc, uses one of those terms...but doesn't tell you the exact type of metal...it's because they are playing marketers word games, making things sound better than they really are.
     
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