First Day Carrying Concealed

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Now try carrying open!

Not a good idea in Michigan. While open carry is not illegal, disturbing the peace (etc.) is -- and the police, it least in the Detroit area, are quite capable of finding someone who is disturbed.
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From the MI forum at OpenCarry.org:

MCRGO v. Ferndale: The Michigan Court of Appeals held that local units of government may not impose restrictions upon firearms possession.

Brandishing and disturbing the peace are not an offense while lawfully openly carrying a firearm.

ADVISORY NOTE: Though this section on disturbing the peace does not deal with firearms, due to the nature of this code, this law has been cited by officers to suppress or discourage lawful open carry. Since a person who is not licensed to carry concealed MUST open carry their firearms on foot in order to avoid criminal charge, nor is there any duty for anyone licensed to conceal their handgun, open carry is not disorderly conduct. The open carrying of firearms is not by itself threatening, nor does it cause a hazardous or physically offensive condition.

BRANDISHING Opinion No. 7101 February 6, 2002: …In the absence of any reported Michigan appellate court decisions defining "brandishing," it is appropriate to rely upon dictionary definitions…..the term brandishing is defined as: "1. To wave or flourish menacingly, as a weapon. 2. To display ostentatiously. A menacing or defiant wave or flourish." This definition comports with the meaning ascribed to this term by courts of other jurisdictions…the court recognized that in federal sentencing guidelines, "brandishing" a weapon is defined to mean "that the weapon was pointed or waved about, or displayed in a threatening manner." Applying these definitions to your question, it is clear that a reserve police officer, regardless whether he or she qualifies as a "peace officer," when carrying a handgun in a holster in plain view, is not waving or displaying the firearm in a threatening manner. Thus, such conduct does not constitute brandishing a firearm in violation of section 234e of the Michigan Penal Code. It is my opinion, therefore, that…by carrying a handgun in a holster that is in plain view, does not violate section 234e of the Michigan Penal Code, which prohibits brandishing a firearm in public.
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Now try carrying open!

Geeeez! Let the poor guy get used to concealed carry first, already.

I've been carrying for 4-5 years and I don't like open carry. If the situation ever arises, which I hope doesn't happen, I don't want to spotted by the BG and disarmed. What good is carrying if you have to lose your weapon at the start of the theft/robbery/assault?
 
Congrats h-word! To your wife as well.

Mind if I ask which county you're in? I need to get my CPL but I've heard that Wayne county is back up to eight months backlog :banghead:
 
ive had my CPL for almost a year now (im 22years old) that feeling of being made lasted about a week, but i was carring a full sized gun so i was a little more worried.

now i could care less, if im sitting down to dinner in a resteraunt and it peaks out and someone sees it. i dont care, let them make a scene and make them look like a weirdo. i wont let it ruin my day.
 
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I'm in Texas, where open carry is illegal. (go figure). If I was in a state where it was legal, like Michigan, I'd be out to eat with a group of open carry folks so fast it would make your appetizer spin. With video and tape support, witnesses and a TSRA Pistol director who is also a lawyer. There is hardly ANY Police department that doesn't need training in open carry.

Defend the Bill of Rights! Protect the Constitution! Stand up for law and order!
 
In regards to concealed carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol, does anyone know of a case where someone broke the law and carried and used a firearm within such a place and what ever happened to him or her? Would they really throw the book at you if you HAD to use your firearm to defend your life and the life of others from some nutjob hurting or killing folks in a restaurant that served alcohol?
 
not really sure, but you would probably loose your permit, and get fined...as for throwing the book at you, I really have no clue!
 
Throwing books may be taboo, also . . . hard covers probably aren't allowed, only pamphlets & nothing more substantial than the menu . . .
 
Congratulations … I can’t even image what it must feel like.

Great to see you exercising your freedom to carry something more dangerous than harsh language to defend yourself with …

Protect your freedom and don’t feel awkward … it may save your life.
 
I'm a little butt hurt...had my Michigan CCW for 6 months now, and haven't been able to carry. I got it when I was home in MI on leave, and it was mailed out to me after I got back to California. Looking forward to it thopugh. I go home soon, and you won't be able to find me without a gun.
 
Shung, I also want to live in the USA.

Unfortunately, I live in California, and don't enjoy the freedom that others do.
 
ULTRADOC

Carrying for the first time in WM is kind of a tradtion search for a thread called "The Walmart Walk" and you will understand grasshopper
 
Rupestris, I live in Roscommon County in Northern Michigan. I applied one month ago. Found out the gun board only meets once a month out here and if I was a day earlier I would have gotten it the next day! I feel sorry for you folks who have to wait longer than a month...

Everyone else, I will be going to Walmart soon now that I know I have no choice. They do have a Subway...

I would like to try open carry, but nobody in my area carries, so I think I would have problems. Don't have the time or money to fight my way out of a fubar legal battle like that kid on the board.
 
Hey SCGirl, you can carry in Maurice's BBQ.

We are working on the restaurant prohibition, but you will lose your CWP if you are caught carrying. You can carry into any restaurant that does not serve al-ko-haul, unless posted.

I can't belive no one mentioned the nachos on the Wal-Mart walk.
 
I don't think about where you can and can't carry after 35 years of carrying . Seems like it should be common sense. If you are going to do some serious drinking, you should leave your gun and your car at home. Banks, well they changed that one apparentlly in FL, 15 years ago when I moved here it was a no no. I always wondered why? If the bank got robed while a few guys with guns were in there doing their banking they might get po'd and shoot the robber, but someone pointed out a while back that you are now allowed to carry in banks. No one ever asked me to show a license in all the years of "carrying all the time". I think it comes down to this, if you look like a freak of some kind, or you carry 3 or 4 guns that stick out of your pants, you will get asked about your status, and probablly shouln't be carrying anything but a rock, but for the rest of us, you aren't going to get asked, unless your pistol falls out when you go to pay the check, and even then if you excuse yourself while apologizing, and muttering under your breath , "you dumb so and so" you should be ok.
 
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Bienvenue, Shung. Many Americans have mistaken ideas about how liberal gun laws are in Switzerland, but you are way ahead of Great Britain, anyway. There are several other Swiss members on here.
 
does anyone know of a case where someone broke the law and carried and used a firearm within such a place and what ever happened to him or her?
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Not really, thanks to the hard work of many people my state has very few off limit places.

It would probably depend greatly on the attitude of your city and state, if the general population sees you as a hero prosecutors will be hesitant to charge you with anything. On the other hand if you are unfortunate enough to live in an area that barely or effectively doesn't believe in self defense it could go far worse.

Being able to get the various media outlets on your side would be important too.
 
OK. I give. What is so special about carrying in Wall Mart?
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Carrying for the first time in WM is kind of a tradtion search for a thread called "The Walmart Walk" and you will understand grasshopper
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Also, there was a string of threads that were posted with people carrying for their first time actually actually were making Wally World one of the places they went that first day.

So there is more than a kernel of truth to the humor regarding Walmart here.
 
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