First Shotshell Press?

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RidgwayCO

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After many years of reloading for handguns and rifles, I'm finally ready to make the move into shotshell reloading. I'm planning to reload Remington STS 2-3/4" 12ga hulls with 1 oz of #8 lead pellets and enough Hodgdon Clays to produce about 1180fps for trap.

My question is about presses. After first thinking about the Lee Load All II, I'm seriously considering the RCBS Mini Grand as a first press. I know a lot of guys like MEC, but what about the RCBS? Any experiences I need to know about before purchasing one?

Thanks in advance!
 
Hey Ridge,

I have had several RCBS metallic single stage presses for many years and can attest to their long service. However, I have only had MEC single stage shotshell presses for a good many years, and I can also attest to their long service.

It would seem the RCBS Mini Grand and the MEC Junior are fairly similar in form and function, but it would seem the MEC costs about $40 more than the MEC. A $40 difference is significant to me, and it could lead me to the RCBS machine. One thing I might mention concerning function is an auto feeding primer mechanism. They are standard on the MEC Sizemasters, and they can be added to the Junior for another $40 over the regular cost.

I have two Sizemasters and one Junior with the auto primer feed, and I do like the function of the auto primer feed. Is it worth it to you? I couldn't say. If it was simply a choice between the Mini Grand and the Junior with no auto primer feed, I think I would give consideration to the RCBS for the price difference alone. I have never seen a Mini Grand, and I certainly would like to see one before I buy it.

As far as the Lee machine goes, well, it goes. There is no comparing the Lee to the MEC. The Lee is a toy by comparison.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile
 
I have no experience with a RCBS nor do I know anybody who does. I am sure it is a fine press.

But the Lee is another matter!

My neighbor down the road, purchased a Load All. After several trips down to try to help him with it and try to get it where it would load even passable shells. I get a call one evening, "I need you to come down one last time and help me with this press". Being the good neighbor, I went down. As I walked in to his shed, I noticed a big brown box setting over to the side and I almost asked what is was, but didn't. He immediately said "I've figured out how to fix this blankey blank press" and with out warning, he picked up a 5 pd ball peen hammer and smashed the Lee in to about 20 pieces. Heck I didn't know what to say or to do! I stood with a blank stare on my face! He calmly walked over to the brown box and pull out a New 9000 G Mec! He was grinning from ear to ear with a big smile on his face!

After we put the few bolts and parts together, he started loading perfect shells. I only wish I knew how many shells he has loaded on that press.

My Mec 600 Jr has made many shells too, only a lot slower!

Jimmy K
 
I have no clue how you could mess up using a Load All. Love mine but if your going to do more than 500 rounds a year I would get a progressive. What are you guys having trouble with? Just curiosity as the press is elementary to use.
 
As a FIRST press, I would suggest the MEC Jr. They can be had used for about $50. Add a Universal charge bar and the auto primer and for less than $100-125 you're in business.

With your load, try the 17.3 load bushing - a great light load, excellent for trap. If you're shooting over a flat a week, then a progressive will do it faster, but just like metallic progressives, there are always drawbacks for that speed. I use 3 different Jr.s for 12, 20 and 28 - all work great. I pregfer sporting clays and shoot once to twice a week - so about a flat a week
 
I agree 100% with Nate.

I've had my Lee Load-All press for almost 40 years. It has turned out tens of thousands of shotshells and has never let me down.

Before today I have NEVER heard of anyone having a problem with a Lee Load-All.
 
Sorry guys I don't remember what was his beef with the Lee, I think it kept bulging shells and the crimp was going array.
But he sure did like the ease with which the MEC 600 worked and the shells it produced. I was surprised with the hammer trick, I'll never forget that. He is that kind guy, if he did like something, it usually got torn up, burst, kicked or shot.

I talked to him tonight and asked the 9000 MEC, he said that it had made 80,000 to 100,000 shells, probably more.

Two other guys that I used to clays with also started out with a Load-all, both have moved on to bigger and better loaders.

I think there is nothing wrong with the Lee as a starter press, but if you're in it for the long haul, look else where.

As far as the Lee machine goes, well, it goes. There is no comparing the Lee to the MEC. The Lee is a toy by comparison.

I think Dave hit the nail on the head!

Jimmy K
 
I also was contemplating the MEC vs RCBS Mini grand. I decided on MEC but then I had a hard time choosing between the Jr and the sizemaster. I really don't shoot enough shot shell for bird, clay or anything else for that matter to handload for it but I did run into a time where all the primers I could buy was for shotshell. So I took up to Slug shooting - casting my own of course. I realized that all I really needed was the Jr. I am glad I bought it as it is really all I need. I shoot on average 50 slugs or so a month so I don't need more. But... Mr. Dave Wile, you have the better of my couriousity about getting an auto feed primer for my Jr.

If you get a chance post more info on your take of this primer feeder or send me a private message, please do so.

LGB
 
Hey LGB,

While I also have three Pacific/Hornady 366 progressive presses, I still have and use the two MEC Sizemasters and the one MEC Junior press. All of the three single stage presses have Universal Charge Bars and the Auto Primer Feed mechanisms.

As far as comparing the Sizemaster and the Junior goes, that is much easier for me than trying to compare the Junior to the Mini Grand which I have never even seen good pictures. Both the Sizemaster and the Junior have been around for many decades, and both have had some changes made to them. However, to the best of my knowledge, MEC still has replacement parts for the early machines as well as the new machines.

Both machines are simple single stage machines that work a shell from the first station to the last. Both are made of stamped steel parts, and while the Sizemaster is made a good bit heavier than the Junior, the fact is the Junior is built quite sturdy enough to last through several generations of users. The Sizemaster uses a collet to size the shell, and the Junior uses a ring sizer die to do the same thing. You can hear many folks state that the collet sizer is much better because it full length sizes the shell. The fact is that both methods of sizing full length size the shell, and neither can be proven to be better than the other. Also, Pacific/Hornady and a few other higher end progressive machines use ring sizer dies on their machines.

Other than the Sizemaster being built a bit heavier and having a collet sizer rather than a ring die sizer, the only other difference is the Sizemaster comes with the Auto Prime feature included in the price. The Auto Prime feature can be added to the Junior for about $40 extra. Do I like the Auto Prime feature on my machines? Yes, without any doubt. The Auto Prime feature alone increases throughput on the Junior without any effort by the operator to work faster.

Is a Universal Charge Bar really a valuable addition to either of these presses? It depends on what you are doing. If you simply make a one ounce load and use whatever grains of whatever powder and never change, then you really are fine just using a single charge bar and powder bushing for that load. However, if you are likely to be making different sized loads for different purposes, then a Universal Charge Bar can be quite handy.

If you already have a MEC Junior, don't worry about it lasting as long as its bigger brother the Sizemaster. The Junior will last for several generations of users, and it will produce the same quality ammo as the Sizemaster. In fact, I can reload a shotshell more times on the single stage loaders than I can on the progressives. When a shell starts to get a little ragged, it does not go through a progressive loader so well, and I end up throwing them out. There are a lot of those marginal shells which could be reloaded one or more times more if I would reload them on the Sizemaster or Junior machines. Also, if you already have the Junior and you find you have the $40, you can add the Auto Prime feature, and you will be happy with the results.

Keep in mind, however, whether you buy a Sizemaster that comes with the Auto Prime or you add an Auto Prime to a Junior, you will have to install the Auto Prime and make the adjustments to get it working properly. To me, this is very easy to do, but some folks seem to expect you wave a magic wand and it works just like that. It doesn't! You have to read and understand the instructions for installation and for adjusting it to drop a primer properly. Believe me, if you take the time to install it properly and get it adjusted so it works properly, you will find it to be a valuable addition to your machine.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile
 
Search craigslist for "loader" or "reloader" you can usually find lots of mec's for a reasonable price. Since you have the metallic experience, then I would recomend you look for a nice used MEC9000 series progressive. I bought mine off craigslist for $250 with some powder and shot about 2 years ago and its a great press.
 
Are Lee Precision Load Alls the best? For the money - yes by a wide margin. If you have the $$$ get the MEC but the Load All get very high marks from actual owners - On Midway USA out of 41 actual owner reviews it get 4.5 out of 5 stars. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=436640
Anyone who say the Load All is not a decent/good press is an idiot. If you compare actual owner reviews even with MEC costing 4 times or seven time or ten times or 20 times as much $$$ you will quickly see the Load All is a good press at a great price of $40.00. I like mine and intend to get an MEC $90.00 resizer and never intend to change from Lee Precision Load All. But if you can get a decent MEC used as has been pointed out for less than $100.00 that would be a great deal.
 
Get the mec. There is a reason why there is a lot of them out there. I have an old grabber and a 600 jr. My grabber I bought used 3 years ago with 13 bags of shot, 500 primers, universal charge bar, 1500 wads,and powder, for $220. Ive loaded 30,000 + shells on it and it is still going stong!:D
 
I used a Lee Load-All for some time to reload 12g target loads, & it did a pretty decent job. After a while I thought it was time to upgrade & bought a Mec 650. After using the Mec for a while I decided it was too much bother & went back to the Lee. I didn't shoot great quantities of shotshells, maybe a couple hundred a month, & for that the Lee was completely adequate.
 
I have no clue how you could mess up using a Load All.

Pretty simple operation. I wore out one when I was a no-rank GI. Think I paid $19.95. Used it for several years until I could afford a MEC.
 
On Midway USA out of 41 actual owner reviews it get 4.5 out of 5 stars. http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=436640
Anyone who say the Load All is not a decent/good press is an idiot.

And I would wager that most, if not all, of those folks have never used anything else. If the only car you ever drove was a Yugo, you would think it is better than anything else available like a horse or walking. Sorry, a used MEC Jr. can be had for right at the same price and is heads above the Lee. I had a Lee - it was good for a few boxes a year. I shoot around 12,000 a year now. The Lee isn't capable of keeping up
 
Hey folks,

You can reload shotshells for less initial cost by purchasing a Lee Loader and whacking your shells together. The Lee Loader will also make a good shotshell, but I think the original point of the thread was comparing the good point and bad points of single stage presses available.

I have no experience with the RCBS Mini Grand, but I do know something about MEC single stage presses, and I also know a bit about the Lee Load All. Yes, the Lee Load All is a single stage press, and it can produce good ammo, but trying to compare it in quality and function with the MEC presses is simply defending the indefensible. If you mount a Lee Load All beside a MEC Junior, you can immediately see a difference in quality of construction. Just looking at the two machines, I don't think there would be many folks who would not notice there are a number of parts on the Lee machine that are likely to fail sooner than the parts on a MEC. In fact, many folks have reported the moved up to a MEC from a broken Lee Load All.

As I said earlier, I have had MEC single stage machines for many years, and I have never had to replace any part - none. Not even the plastic wad fingers. I should admit that I am fairly gentle in my use of my machines, and I would suspect the average loader may break more parts than I do.

In any case, however, one really cannot suggest the Lee Load All is made to last as well as a MEC. The Lee Load All is made to sell at the lowest cost to as many folks who will try them. If I could not afford a MEC, I certainly would have no problem buying a Lee Load All. I would not, however, buy one blindly thinking it is just as good as a MEC Junior. I would buy it and use it very carefully trying to make it last as long as possible.

Best wishes,
Dave Wile
 
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