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First they came to Chip the Soldiers

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Thin Black Line, Aug 24, 2006.

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  1. Thin Black Line

    Thin Black Line Member

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    I will refuse. No long explanation necessary. Period.


    http://www.examiner.com/a-232630~Company_trying_to_get_under_soldiers__skin.html
     
  2. rangermonroe

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    All in the name of security.

    I have wondered if this wouldn't be ok.

    Perhaps, just while in "theater"?

    I like the idea of swallowing a transmitter...preferably a 'single use'.... or one secreted about my gear.
     
  3. Harry Tuttle

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    What if some uplifter decides that new handguns need to be RFIDed?
     
  4. longeyes

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    More and more it looks as if the world of the future will be divided between the fascists and the anarchists. And they will fight to the death. We will all have to choose soon between "progress" and "regress."
     
  5. Red State

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    You won't be alone.
     
  6. junyo

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    Verichip has a sketchy history, and a dubious grasp of privacy. I'd bet this is more of a press stunt to boost their IPO than a serious plan. They've also been trying to sell these things for implantation in your elderly parents and children so that you can keep an eye on them.

    For soldiers it seems like a double edged sword; Yes it'd let you instantaneously monitor individual soldier's locations on the battlefield (no more of this kidnapping BS), but so could anyone else that hacked the system. Seems like a huge risk for negligible gain.
     
  7. longeyes

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    We've evolved a world controlled by bean-counters. You'll pardon me if I choose not to be one of their "beans."

    The control freaks, no matter what flag they're running, need to be stopped.
     
  8. cyanide

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    They will do it anyway

    you will not have a choice, thats how it works.
     
  9. longeyes

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    We won't have a choice?

    Are you sure you want to say that?

    We always have a choice. Always. Just pay the price.
     
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    Excellent quote. Excellent.
     
  11. progunner1957

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    At some point, I expect a federal law requiring all children and babies to be chipped - to save them from kidnapping, of course.
    +10,000 Longeyes!
     
  12. BryanP

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    They won't have to. If they make it cheap enough lots of parents will do it as a preventative measure.

    "I never have to worry about my little Joey going missing."
     
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    Over my dead body. For me, or for any of my loved ones.
     
  14. longeyes

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    the Pied Piper...

    The irony is that America's kids have already been kidnapped.
     
  15. Sleeping Dog

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    How does it prevent anything?
    Does it prevent the non-custodial parent from running off with the kid? Is it a sort of lo-jack device?
    How close does law-enforcement need to be to read it? Can a chip in the house be read from the street? Can a chip in the car be read from a lamppost? Can it be read from space?
    What's involved in removing a chip? A little cut with a sharp blade?
    Can the chip be reprogrammed easily? Can it be counterfeited?

    Easy to say. But for some family guy with 18 years in Army or Police, "take the chip or lose your job and pension" is not much of a choice.

    Regards.
     
  16. longeyes

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    Easier to say than do, that's true.

    But it always come down to the same thing, doesn't it? The "price" can be mitigated by people banding together and saying NO in concert. In everything we face today the issue is the same: can we pull together to defend our rights against "them?"
     
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    I expect that my nepews are chipped.

    My B-i-L is a bit...off. Won't allow wife or kids to go downtown, won't allow them to play outside of the 8' metal fence. Has stated that he would chip them once the technology is ready.
     
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    Chipping children should be called child abuse.
     
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    Actually, I don't mind if soliders are chipped as long as it, voluntary, and can be removed when the soliders returns to civilian life. Though I am completely against it being used in the civilian world. It could be used on prisoners, but with the same conditions as above for soliders.

    Thinking about it actually might be a good idea for use on soliders, if the part of the body is missing where the chip was implanted how could they ID the body. At least with a metal tag it would more the likly survive the trama.
     
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    "But it always come down to the same thing, doesn't it? The "price" can be mitigated by people banding together and saying NO in concert. In everything we face today the issue is the same: can we pull together to defend our rights against "them?""

    Therein lies the reason for the 'divide and conquer' tactics the Left has been subjecting us to for all these years. Gradually, "we" have become a smaller group while the number of such groups has increased.
    I know a local man, a gun owner and hunter, who has no problem with laws that restrict the ownership of semi-auto rifles of military design, the so called "assault rifles." so long as there are no similar restrictions on his Benelli shotgun.

    :cuss:
     
  21. steveracer

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    This would be like refusing the Anthrax Vaccine.

    Which I refused. Not a big deal. They gave me one shot out of four, and I got rhabdomyolysis. Know what that is? It's a rapid and uncontrollable depletion of muscle tissue. Takes less than 24 hours to disable a man. I got treated, and when the next round of vaccines came around I said, no, thanks.
    I got counseled, screamed at, threatened, and put on restriction. I still said no. End result? I'm still in the Navy, and haven't gotten Anthrax.
     
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    I am much more concerned about the potential abuses of the cell phone tracking capabilities, those with the little GPS chips installed that broadcast your location.... At least they aren't planted under your skin... yet...
     
  23. Thin Black Line

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    I'm going to sit that one out even if it takes living with penguins or
    polar bears......

    "Sir, Pvt Ryan hasn't moved for a while."

    "Send in a drone and tell me what you see."

    "Ummm, Sir, I see a bloody arm and a scimitar laying on the ground, but
    not the rest of Pvt Ryan."

    "Dammit, not another one....we'll have to wait for another one of those
    one-armed hostage videos before we contact the next of kin."

    "Yes, sir. I'll send them an email as soon as it makes the Al Jazeera...."

    "Who's next in line in the conex?"

    Like an animal stuck in a trap I could always chew off my right arm.
    LOL, they'd just stick one in my left arm, issue me an M9, and lower
    the score for qualification.

    Anyone seen "Boxing Helena"? Here's a free idea for someone who wants
    to develop it: How about a version of BH where Helena is Lady Liberty?
     
  24. Thin Black Line

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    steveracer,

    I got sent into theater with an active case of cellulitis that occured right at
    the injection site (I won't say which vac). I knew it was a good one when
    the dr got his buddies to check it out: "You guys need to see this one.
    Don't touch it. See how it's moving down the muscles in his arm." LOL, the
    dr tells me to take some pills, keep it clean, and be careful about putting any
    pressure on it. "Doc, that's going to be hard to do when I'm living in a
    portajohn and wearing IBA....." Try to imagine 2 lbs of ground chuck in a skin
    bag and that's how my upper arm looked. Oh, well, get on the plane......
    good news is the cellulitis didn't take my arm nor an IED. Hooah.....

    On a positive note, we (at least my unit) were allowed to decline the anthrax
    vaccine. If not, I could have seen how my other arm would have held up.
    "Hey, look guys, they match now!" :D "Nice, Thin, now you're the knuckle
    dragger we always knew you were." :neener:
     
  25. steveracer

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    Jesus!

    Thin, I hear you. I had a doctor flown into our AO to check my blood tests because she didn't believe I could have Rhabdo. She kept telling me it wasn't possible, and that I shouldn't have this illness. I said, "No S%&#! I shouldn't have ANY illness at this point. Gonna fix it?"
    That was recieved poorly.
     
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