first time hunter help

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I am a young guy who is looking to get started in hunting. I live in Maryland so I will mostly be hunting white tail deer, ducks, geese and turkey. I have firearms experiance (mostly with handguns). My question is what would be a good all round rifle that I could use for the different types of hunting I will be doing?

Thanks for the help!
 
That depends somewhat on the laws in your state. You could hunt all (deer ,turkey, waterfowl) just with one shotgun. For a rifle numerous cartridges will work fine for deer 260,7-08,308,270,280,30-06 and there is a great choice of guns ,bolt action ,auto,etc. Check the laws, get an idea of the typical ranges you might shoot at .
 
12 gauge if you're looking to go cheap. My friend hunts EVERYTHING with 12 ga, and just uses different loads, choke tubes and picks his shots. Of course he uses a slug for deer.
 
I reconmend finding someone to hunt with. Also dont get discouraged if you don't see anything the first few times. Remember it called "Deer Hunting" not "Deer Shooting". The Deer have a since of personal value and they tend to not want to get shot. I fell asleep the first time I shot a Deer. I woke up and there were 5 Deer in the Soy bean field. So don't strain yourself, just have a good time and listen to the birds and look at the Trees and sky. Relax. Enjoy. Let the stress seep out of you.
 
I think the same as these guys. You aren't going to hunt anything but deer/hog/bear with a rifle. Everything else is a shotgun or .22. I'd pick a 12 ga Rem. 870 with a 21-26" choke tube barrel (anything more is for balance or looks).

If you are really looking for a deer rifle, that is hard to define. It means different things to different people. I'd say start with .257 Roberts and go up. 260 Remington and 6.5x55, 7-08, 30-30 (of course), 308 and 7x57 are what spring to my mind. If you want more velocity the 25-06 and 270 are faster. If you want more bullet the 8x57 and 358 Winchester are there. If you want to someday take the rifle out west you might pick a 30-06 or 300 WSM. Anything more than a 30-06 is more rifle than you need, but the 35 Whelen and 9.3x62 would be enough gun for anything that walks North America. If I had to pick one hunting rifle forever it would be a 338 Winchester (or ballistic equal).

I'm partial to bolt guns, lever actions and falling block single shots, but there is nothing wrong with semiautos, double barrels or combo guns.

If you want a scope, you should budget for it. Buying a nice rifle and hanging a cheap scope on it is a waste of money. I'd rather have a cheap rifle and a good scope.

Give us a price range?


David
 
Thanks for all the input. I did buy a pistol about 2 months ago. I ended up getting a S.A. Mil spec 1911 and so far it has been great.
 
Dunno 'bout Maryland, but at least when I lived in PA it was illegal to hunt deer with rifles. In fact IIRC, single projectile weapons were not allowed, so even slugs in a 12ga I think were out. It's been 10+ years though since I lived there, so that may have changed, or I may have been told wrong info. Unless you know you will be at least 3 miles (preferably 5+ miles) from civilization a shotgun really makes the most sense. If you miss, or even have a AD with the muzzle pointed up at a 45deg angle you'll have a lot lower chance of hitting anyone. Couse, the downside is that means you also have to get really close before shooting, a lot closer than with most rifles.

Now, if MD does allow rifles for deer, anything from .243Win on up will do you just fine. I know some people on this board even use .223Rem for whitetails, but before you rush out to get a Mini-14 as your deer rifle, check state laws as some set .243Win as the smallest caliber allowed.

Rifles are really not appropriate for ducks, geese, and (I would assume) turkey. Main reason being is that you're typically shooting up at them as they fly (at least for ducks and geese, not sure about turkeys) and a miss means a bullet going for miles if you use a rifle. A miss with shotguns usually means the pellets going a few hundred yards.

So, unless you are willing to deer hunt with a shotgun, you'll need at least two weapons for that hunting. Shop the gun shows, gunbroker.com, auctionarms.com, and our own Buy/Sell/Trade forums here on THR for a good deal on whatever you decide to get.

As for specific rifles (or shotguns for that matter), I won't make a recommendation. My advise is to go to a bunch of gun shops, gun shows, and THR shoots. Handle lots of different rifles. Don't pay too much attention to the caliber of any particular gun. Don't let the salesman talk you into anything, whether that's his preference for a particular brand, or caliber, or action type or whatever. Throw it to your shoulder and see how it fits and feels. Work the action (for bolts, levers and pumps) and get a feel for how smooth it is. Probably a good idea to stay away from semi-autos until you have more experience under your belt. Ask if you can dry fire it a time or two to get a feel for the trigger (keep the gun pointed in a safe direction!!!). If there's an opprotunity to shoot it (THR group shoots, range attached to the store, etc) put at least 5 rounds through the gun. Once you've done all that with a couple dozen rifles you'll have a good idea as to what you want in terms brand, style and action type. Then decide on the caliber you want. That'll be hard unless you actually get to shoot a few different rifles, but I would recommend staying away from anything with the word magnum in the caliber designation. A .243 will kill a deer just as dead as a .300UltraMag (and waste less meat). The lighter the recoil the more you'll be likely to practice, and therefore the better you'll get at shooting that rifle.

FWIW, I'm looking into buying a CZ 550 in 6.5x55. There's another rifle or two that I'm also looking at, but the CZ seems most likely at this time. I've fondled a couple and really liked the feel of them. They're in my price range (+-$500) and they have the controlled round feed type of bolt action. The other type is called push feed, and I won't get into the differences here as that's like starting a 9mm vs .45 debate. Suffice it to say that CRF is my preference and that is purely a personal thing. The other reason I want the CZ is that it is available in 6.5x55. Why do I want that caliber? I already have a rifle in that caliber that I really like, but being a heavy mil-surplus gun it was not what I really wanted to take hunting. It's a very versitle caliber, doesn't recoil much, and has the ability to take almost any game animal in North America.

Anyway, that was the process I went through in making my decision. Good luck.
 
A Hunter's Ed class is a good place to start. Have someone help you find a good shotgun that fits.

You might want to head over the the shotgun gun sectiona and page Dave McCraken. He lives in MD, would be more than willing to help you out in any way he can.

Now if you were in Illinois, I'd help you myself.
 
Remington sells a combination package for its 870 line up that comes with a smoothbore barrel of around 28†and a slug barrel with sights that is around 20†or so. Use the slug barrel for deer, and if you get the unrifled version, it makes a good turkey barrel as well (you’ll have to get a different choke for it however). Use the 28†barrel for everything else. This is as good of a “one gun, do it all†package as you are going to find, and should serve you very well until you convince yourself that you’d be a better hunter if you just had more toys. Price should be less than $500. I’d recommend getting the 3 1/2†12 gauge chambering for versatility. A lot of people say you don’t need the extra half inch, and there is some merit to their arguments. But advances in ammunition technology happen rather quickly in the gun world, and I think that it is best to have the ability to chamber whatever might come out in the future. I killed more game with my first shotgun – including deer – than with any other gun I’ve ever owned.
 
Mustang,
What kind of rifle do you like, lever, bolt, pump, semi, single shot?
Scoped or iron sighted?
If your going for one gun to do future hunting across the country, you can't go wrong with a 308 Win or 30-06. If your just going to keep it to deer gun a 243, 257 cal, or 30-30 will do well.
 
Sumpnz: I think you got some bad information there. Until I moved to MD three years ago I had hunted in PA for 12 years with a Winchester 70. The only thing I know you're not allowed to use for deer are semi-autos.

As for MD a lot of the lower counties only allow shotguns for deer because of the population density. Anything more high power and you gotta start traveling north. Can't remember now about whether MD allows semi's or not but just get a good bolt gun and you'll be covered. As for good places to hunt, heck you'll have to ask someone else cause I haven't found em yet (although I haven't looked too hard).

Also if you haven't seen it yet there's an MD shoot scheduled for July 11th at more then likely Hap Baker range near Westminster. It'll be a good place to come meet people and test out a few rifles.
 
anapex, it may just been for the area I was living in (near Westchester). It's a pretty populated area, so I can understand the shotgun with buckshot only restriction. You'd be hard pressed to get more than a couple miles from any homes in that area.
 
I'd pick a 12 ga Rem. 870 with a 21-26" choke tube barrel (anything more is for balance or looks).

Anything more is for balance? I guess one could also say "buy cheap ammo, anything emore is simply for accuracy" or "buy a cheap scope, anything more is simply for durability"

By your above statement, I infer that you credit something else as being more important than balance. What is it?
 
WhiteKnight,


I think, sir, that you misunderstand me. I was not implying that balance was unimportant; I simply meant that barrels longer than 26" (on a pump) offer no ballistic advantage (contrary to hot stove myth). Longer barrels and front heavy shotguns loose any appeal they may have in the woods after terrestrial game. An all purpose shotgun will have to be a compromise. These are other ways to balance a shotgun without making it unwieldy.



David
 
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