First time shot gunner...purchase advise?

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Looking into purchasing a home defense shotgun. This would be our first shotgun purchase.

We're pretty set on a Mossberg 500 series or Remington 870 type. It has to be comfortable for both me and my 5'2" 110lbs wife.

Definitely looking at a 20ga pump action. My main question is this:

What's easier to shoot, a regular stock or a pistol grip? I guess the half way is the AR style pistol grip with adjustable stock....

If it has a full stock, I'd definitely get the Blackhawk SpecOps stock with pistol grip that absorbs a lot of recoil....but if a regular pistol grip only is comfy, I'd just get that.

Any wisdom from shotgun experts?
 
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Black Hawk has discontinued the 20ga SpecOps. People should call them and ask for them and this may encourage them to bring it back.
 
Bummer. I have heard that with the SpecOps stock, anyone can shoot a 12ga. Maybe that's an option...

Depends on people's opinions of pistol grips (no stock).

How critical is the stock to stability when shooting?
 
u dont need recoil reduction for a 20ga..it doesnt kick that much..if you want HD you need to buy a 12GA. bring the best weapon to the fight possible. period. if your wife doesnt want to shoot a 12 gauge then buy two shotguns. or buy her a small 9mm handgun or something.

Buy a Limbsaver recoil pad for your 12ga and recoil is cut in half.

Avoid tacticool stocks. stick with the one that comes on it. do not use the pistol grip, ever. do a Google search for "shotgun pistol grip vs stock."
 
No disrespect Titus, but if a 20ga is good enough for Mas Ayoob, it's good enough for me. I don't think a bad guy in my house is gonna scoff at getting shot with a 20ga.
 
It's in stock also & a good lightweight stock that's a side folder similar to the AK stock
 
I have yet to run across any stock that was a better all around deal than the conventional buttstock that comes on most guns. I will admit it doesn't look near as scary, and it isn't tactical, but I believe you said home defense. Either a Mossberg or a Remington in 20 gauge should serve admirably in my opinion.
 
The Blackhawk SpecOps is the only one I'm really interested in, simply for the recoil reduction. Looks literally has no bearing on me with a gun...it could be blue polka dots, but if it's the best gun for me, I'm buying.
 
My input would be definitely to stick with 20 guage because of recoil, but I would suggest you look into auto-loading shotguns. I say this because the posibility that you will short-stroke a pump action is much higher than the posibility of a good auto-loader malfunctioning. The recoil will also be lessened in an auto-loader.
Side note: Do NOT get a pistol grip. You will be much more accurate with a shouldered weapon. You will also have less felt recoil and faster follow up shots.

Just my two pennies.
 
Buy a Limbsaver recoil pad for your 12ga and recoil is cut in half.

Not really - it doesn't add enough weight to do that

As to the 20 having less recoil - maybe yes, maybe no - it all depends on the weight of the gun, the mass of the payload and the velocity.
If the 20 is 1lb lighter, but the payload is equal as is the velocity, the recoil will be substantially more

Whatever gun you get, it needs to be fitted to your wife if she is to practice with it. It is easier to learn how to shoot a gun that is too short versus one that is too long.

While a shotgun can be great (and cheap) for HD compared to other choices, it is not automatically the best choice for everyone.

I would suggest that you and your wife both read www.thecorneredcat.com about women and guns for protection. Then you need to go to a range that rents guns and let your wife try this shotgun to see if she really wants that much weight, recoil and muzzle blast
 
20 ga. guns typically have about the same felt recoil as a 12 ga. This is because the guns are usually +/- a pound lighter. Now, the lighter weight gun may balance better for your smallish-statured wife, making recoil more tolerable.

As to the model, nothing wrong with the 870 or 500/590, but they're not my preference. I'd rather have an Ithaca 37, or any number of older shotguns. I have a 2006 production Remington 11-87 police, but my go-to HD shotgun is a 1920's vintage Remington model 11 12 ga. that I shortened on both ends. The one the wife grabs is a Western Field model 30 20 ga. with a 22" tube. Both are stoked with non-flight controlled buckshot (#4 and #3). I also have a Browning BPS 10 ga. that is loaded with 3-1/2" 00 buck, but that thing is an absolute beast, not easily manuevered in the confines of a house.

My (barely) 5'4", 62 YO mother decided she wanted a shotgun around, and preferred new, but didn't want to spend a ton. So far, she's been very happy with the Maverick 88 20 ga. that I shortened to 18.5" for her. She tried my 12 gauges, but they were just too big, and her being off balance with them caused the recoil push her around.

My sister, OTOH, is all about the 12 gauge. She has a Mossy 500 and a nice O/U (can't remember what make), but then, she's 5'6"/135 lbs and very fit. She elk hunts with a .300 RUM and draws the recoil line at a .45-70 heavy load (405 gr. @ 2,015 FPS) in a 7 lb Marlin.

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I snapped a quick photo (sorry about the glare) to help give an idea of the differences in receiver size. From top, 10 ga., 12 ga., 20 ga. I don't have a pump or autoloading .410 for comparison. 16 gauges typically use 12 ga. receivers.

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Best advice I can give would be for both of you to get your hands on any shotguns you're considering for purchase, and at least handle them first if not actually shoot them if possible. Could be family or friends can help out in that regard, or various ranges/gun clubs might have shotguns for rent. But look around for possibilities in that regard, and if at all possible try before you buy.

I don't know how physically large (or small) either of you are, your overall state of health/fitness, or your overall experience level with firearms. Without knowing more about the both of you it is hard to offer worthwhile advice on what is essentially a very personal question. So I will stick to some generalities here.

"Fit" of the shotgun to the shooter is one of if not THE critical element in successful shotgun shooting. Overall weight of the gun, balance and handling characteristics are important too, but they do not surpass gun fit as a critical element in the relationship of shooter to shotgun.

As a rule, most shotgun stocks are too long for many shooters. It is easier to shoot a defensive shotgun that has a too-short stock than one with a too-long stock. I generally advise setting up a defensive shotgun to fit the smallest person who will be using it, and encouraging everyone else to learn to use the shotgun 'as is.' I don't like any of the recoil reducing stocks I've tried so far, for a variety of reasons, and neither does my wife. As a result all the defensive shotguns here are conventionally stocked, but shortened to fit her - she's 5'4", and the house guns here have stocks with a 12.5" LOP. I'm 6'3" and wear a 37" sleeve and can shoot the short shotguns perfectly well - in fact, I have come to prefer them.

I wouldn't worry too much over the 12 vs. 20 gauge argument. Just get what both of you can handle easily, either will do the job with the appropriate ammunition. The 20 ga. guns tend to be lighter and easier handling, but with really heavy loads recoil can be more objectionable than in a heavier 12 ga. gun. But recoil can be a subjective thing, too. Good gun fit, good form, a solid gun mount and good technique will help a lot with recoil. Still, there's no reason not to take full advantage of the excellent recoil pads currently available, too.

I would stay away from any kind of pistol grip stock on a Mossberg. I find that it gets in the way of the easy use of the safety and action release in almost every case.

Be sure you look at and handle the various manufacturers' 'youth' model 20 gauge shotguns available these days. I have a soft spot for 870s, and there are different Youth and Junior models of this shotgun available. I think the Junior models are only available at Gander Mountain, I haven't seen them anywhere else but I could be wrong. See http://www.remington.com/products/f...shotguns/model-870-express-jr-specialrun.aspx for details. The gun is 20 ga. with an 18.5" VR barrel, RemChokes and a 12" LOP stock. It and Mossberg's Bantam are the smallest production pump shotguns I know of.

hth,

lpl
 
How critical is the stock to stability when shooting?

the stock is very critical for accurate shooting. i have a traditional stock on my 12g and i feel i have great control during shooting. i have shot a 12g that only has a pistol grip and i would advise to avoid that type of setup. i have no experience with a pistol grip and a full stock setup although it may add more control and recoil reduction.
 
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Best advice I can give would be for both of you to get your hands on any shotguns you're considering for purchase, and at least handle them first if not actually shoot them if possible. Could be family or friends can help out in that regard, or various ranges/gun clubs might have shotguns for rent. But look around for possibilities in that regard, and if at all possible try before you buy.

Wise words right here. My wife (who has no trouble handling a .357 snubbie), cannot stand a shotgun. I've yet to find one in any gauge or LOP that she can fire comfortably. We both know it's psychological, but that doesn't change the fact that she has a problem we've yet to overcome.

If you can get some range time with your wife on these guns, you'll be doing yourselves a huge favor.
 
I recommend to get out to the range with some friends. Try their shotguns to compare/contrast. Heck, most people at the range are awfully friendly and will most likely let you shoot theirs too! One last thing, if you can't get out to the range, be sure to shoulder as many shotguns at your local gun shops. You'll know which ones are more comfortable compared to others. The shotgun has to fit you, kind of like a pair of shoes. It's definitely not "one size fits all." Good luck and take your time.
 
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