First timer - 9mm

[Walkalong]

Does X-treme publish any load data? I couldn't find any.

No, but if the data used a similar bullet loaded at that OAL, it's a good start.

Empirical evidence would suggest they were OK. All 100 fired without malfunctions or drama.

They could be over pressure and still seem fine (No drama).

The Speer # 11 manual has a bit on 9MM OAL where they say that a tested load of 28,000 cup produced 63,000 cup when seated .030" deeper. It's a small case and OAL makes a big difference.

Since the data you used was for a 115 Gr jacketed RN @ 1.100, and you used 1.100, in my mind that's more important than being the same exact bullet. If the data was from a load with a bullet @ 1.130 I would be a bit concerned if you went to max.

 

[Dill]

About 6 months ago I purchased 1500 of the Xtreme 115gr plated bullets. I loaded them all on a Lee Pro 1000 with 4.1 grains of TiteGroup, a CCI 500 primer, and seated the bullets to the exact same spot you did, 1.100" OAL. I only have a few hundred left, time to order more (switching to 124gr though). Your load looks great to me.

 

[rfwobbly]

Congrats !!

Be aware that things will remain simple and straightforward as long as you continue to use RN bullets. The CZ chamber was designed around their use. Therefore FP and conical nose bullets bring increased reloading difficulty.
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[Nature Boy]

Congrats !!

Be aware that things will remain simple and straightforward as long as you continue to use RN bullets. The CZ chamber was designed around their use. Therefore FP and conical nose bullets bring increased reloading difficulty.
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Same I assume for JHPs, which I planned on loading after I get 500 of the RNs under my belt

 

[bbqreloader]

Hey Nature, just curious, what powder are you loading. I didn't see it listed, but just curious.

 

[Nature Boy]

HP-38, 5g

 

[Nature Boy]

Chrono'd my second batch on the way home from work. Loaded them a little longer

115 X-treme RN
5.0g HP-38
Mixed range pick up brass
CCI SPP
OAL 1.140"

10 rounds at 5ft

H- 1150
L- 1098
A- 1117
ES- 52
SD- 16

 

[Walkalong]

Shoot better? Worse? The same? Did you chrono the first OAL?

 

[Nature Boy]

Shoot better? Worse? The same? Did you chrono the first OAL?

Shot the same. No issues.

Didn't think to chrono the first loads. I will make some with the shorter OAL to see if there's a difference. I'm curious

I have some Speer 90g JHPs to try next using the AA#2 you suggested

 

[KB0VSO]

I trim my brass to 0.744 all are within .001"
I weigh each load on a beam scale. All rounds are 6 grains +- 0 of longshot
The 90 grain was selected to keep the recoil down.
The gun is a high point pistol. I do not crimp my rounds.
I can control the recoil and hit what I'm shooting at. Should I run out of ammo and have to through the gun at a bear I surely will not be worried about finding it. Better to spend $100 for another gun than take a chance of running into that bear again.

Larry
Northern Minnesota USA

 

[Walkalong]

if there's a difference. I'm curious

I would be shocked if the velocity wasn't a good bit more with the shorter OAL.

I have some Speer 90g JHPs to try next using the AA#2 you suggested

That will work fine, and I bet they shoot well, but the fun of 90 Gr JHPs (For me at least), is running them fast with a slow powder.

 

[Nature Boy]

That will work fine, and I bet they shoot well, but the fun of 90 Gr JHPs (For me at least), is running them fast with a slow powder.

My bad Walkalong, I meant Silhouette for the 90g JHPs, not AA#2. Per your recommendation, I picked up both at the gun show last weekend

 

[Shaq]

I don't go by measuring. I adjust the crimp with several different cases, because they are mixed brass with varying case thicknesses. I start with a light crimp & gradually increase it until the bullet doesn't move deeper into the case when I push the bullet nose against the bench. Never had a problem using that method in 40 years of loading 9mm & 45.

 

[Walkalong]

The crimp is to remove the bell, not increase neck tension. No amount of taper "crimp" will fix poor neck tension. If you have poor neck tension and crimp the case mouth into the bullet enough to stop it from moving in you are crimping way too much and affecting headspace as they headspace on the case mouth.

 

[rfwobbly]

Same I assume for JHPs, which I planned on loading after I get 500 of the RNs under my belt.

That again depends upon the shape of the ogive. Special care is required with a conical bullet like the Hornady XTP, whereas a Speer Gold Dot, which closely mimics a RN, is no problem at all.

 

[DudeRick]

There is a very good article in the June Blue Press just out from Dillon on reloading plated bullets. Worth a read if you get their adds.

 

[Nature Boy]

There is a very good article in the June Blue Press just out from Dillon on reloading plated bullets. Worth a read if you get their adds.

I have. I'll look for the article. Thanks

 

[Nature Boy]

I would be shocked if the velocity wasn't a good bit more with the shorter OAL.

Just shot 10 rounds of the shorter OAL and here are the results

H- 1135
L- 1079
A- 1096
ES- 56
SD- 14

So about the same. Go figure

I also shot some of the 90g Speer JHPs using 6.5g of silhouette. Chrono numbers:

H- 1241
L- 1216
A- 1229
ES- 25
SD- 9

Looked good on paper too at 20ft

I seem to pull a lot of shots to the right. I need to take a class. Last time I shot a pistol with a serious intent to hit what I was aiming at was in the army and it was always pretty easy to qualify.

 

[Load Master]

When you can try some 147gr round nose from Xtreme. I find they give me tighter groups compared to 124 or 115 gr bullets. You might find you like them as well.

 

[Walkalong]

So about the same. Go figure

Yep, wouldn't have thunk it.

 

[grenadier]

Does X-treme publish any load data? I couldn't find any. That's why I used hornady manual

If you can't find load data for the X-treme bullets, you have several options:

1) Use lead data for a similar bullet. X-treme bullets are soft lead, with thin copper plating. They'll behave more like unjacketed lead (expanding more easily in the bore), so you can't really go wrong using lead data, and can feel much more comfortable using the upper end of the recommended powder charge.

2) Use jacketed data for a similar bullet, but don't go above mid range for the powder charge.

3) Use Speer TMJ / Gold Dot data. Again, you have a soft lead bullet that's electroplated, so they'll behave similarly.

As always, start at the low end and work your way up. The above recommendations can be used for Rainier or Berry's plated bullets as well.

 

[Walkalong]

1) Use lead data for a similar bullet. X-treme bullets are soft lead, with thin copper plating. They'll behave more like unjacketed lead (expanding more easily in the bore), so you can't really go wrong using lead data,

You can get one stuck in the bore with starting lead data in some applications. They have much more friction in the bore than lead.

3) Use Speer TMJ / Gold Dot data. Again, you have a soft lead bullet that's electroplated, so they'll behave similarly.

Gold Dots are very heavily plated.

From the X-Treme website:

Load Info
Our Copper Plated Bullets can be run at mid-range jacketed velocities or higher end lead velocities. We recommend keeping velocities to less than 1500 FPS (Feet Per Second) and using only a light taper crimp

Any velocities over 1200 FPS we recommend either our Heavy Plate Concave Base or Hollow Point products for superior accuracy. We recommend keeping velocities to less than 1500 FPS (Feet Per Second) and using only a light taper crimp