Fix Gun Checks Act 2013

[DSling]

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/113-s374/text

I would just like to get opinions on this. It mostly talks about the requirements for sale and transfer of a firearm. A background check is already done for all the firearms purchased. I do not understand why a new law needs to be made for what is already in place.

Link to message your senator on S.374

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

It is bad. Really, really bad. Worst gun bill in the last 100 years bad.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=709560

 

[smalls]

They mean face to face sales, as well. Or, well, basically getting rid of face to face transactions and forcing every sale to go through an FFL and get a background check.

As it sits in most states, you may buy or sell to another resident of your state without a background check.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

Not just sales - transfers. Any transfer. Loan a gun to your hunting buddy? Have to do a background check. He gives it back to you at the end of the hunt? Another check. Both done at whatever fee the Attorney General determines is "reasonable."

 

[Torian]

Only affects those people who care enough to follow the law to begin with. Your ordinary criminal will laugh it this while law-abiding citizens turn into felons overnight.

 

[Yo Mama]

It is bad. Really, really bad. Worst gun bill in the last 100 years bad.
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=709560

I can think of a few worse:

Sullivan Act
NFA 1934
68 Gun Control Act
Firearms Protection Act (nice title eh?)
94 Assault Weapons Ban

 

[David E]

Not just sales - transfers. Any transfer. Loan a gun to your hunting buddy? Have to do a background check. He gives it back to you at the end of the hunt? Another check.

Except section 202 makes exceptions for that.

But I agree it's a bad bill and virtually unenforceable at that.

 

[gc70]

But I agree it's a bad bill and virtually unenforceable at that.

The current background check law is willfully unenforced with respect to prohibited persons who try to buy guns from dealers. Schumer's UBC bill would be nearly totally unenforceable. When my son visits my house and wants to show me a new gun, I would not fear that a federal agent was hiding behind the sofa waiting to bust me for touching the gun without a background check. Schumer's bill is not only horrible from a 2A perspective, but it would also generally be the worst possible kind of law - one that is widely disregarded and destroys respect for the law.

 

[Keb]

oops ... it got largely adopted in Colorado

Now go read in my post what the Colorado Democrats bought into!


See C&R Exemption to Background Check

 

[Carl N. Brown]

60% of total firearms transfers are store sales.
40% of total transfers are not at stores, presuming no background check.
The 40% sources breakdown like this:
13% are private face-to-face sales.
3% are trades between individuals.
19% of firearms transfers are GIFTS usually family or friends. (My mom and dad gave me a .22 rifle for Christmas 1964 (I was 16). The Fix Act would have mom and dad run a background check on me today before transfering the gun after they had to pass a BG check to buy it!)
5% are inheritances.

Gun shows and flea markets together account for 4% of gun transfers. These may be private sales or trades, but most gun shows I have been to the vendors ar dealers with stores and they do BG checks at gun shows same as at their stores.

The Fix Gun Checks Act 2013 is promoted by claiming that 40% of gun transactions are gunshow sales without a BG check. That is a lie. If it is promoted with a lie, what else about it is a lie?

 

[Carl N. Brown]

Some German politician objected to a gun control law proposed after WWI with the observation, and I paraphrase, that it does the dignity of the law no good to pass unenforceable statutes. I believe that is a paraphrase of an Italian guy often quoted by Jefferson.

 

[Bartholomew Roberts]

I can think of a few worse:

Actually, I would argue they are not worse because while burdensome, it was possible to comply with them. Over the course of 10 years, pretty much every gun owner who takes his gun out of the safe and most FFLs are going to end up unintentionally violating S.374. It is written that badly.

For example, there is a temporary evaluation exception but it is only for the prospective transferee while he is in the presence of the prospective transferee. That is how badly written it is.

Except Section 202 makes exceptions for that

The exception is only if you are hunting during a designated season, in a place where such hunting is legal, while you have a valid license and tag. Here in Texas, non-game hunting (pigs) is popular and arguably not excepted. Walk across a road with a borrowed shotgun and depending on how your state law is worded, you may have just become a felon. Silly nonsensical violations abound.

 

[DSling]

Don't forget about the Patriot act, Obama care and the new surveillance bill they are trying to pass

Justifying my means with their end.