fl game & fish outlaws cva electra

[Blackfork]

game laws and gun laws

There are more whitetail deer in the Continental US right now than there ever have been, including before any homind set foot on the place. At the same time there are more game laws and regulations than ever. I don't think the two are connected, in fact, I think there are so many deer that the season ought to be abolished and the whitetail removed from the list of game animals and be classified with vermin and varmits.

And gun laws? Sheesh.

 

[mykeal]

gewehr98 - exactly my thoughts. Well said.

 

[Freightman]

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it must be. if it uses an charge of propellant and a projectile comes from the muzzle I like it period. It is a gun, rifle , pistol, revolver, I like it. single shot to machine gun I like it. What part of shall not be abridged do you not understand.
Let us all get together and win the war with the "anti" group there goal is divide and conquer, and I might add they are doing a good job.

 

[ArmedBear]

What the hell are you talking about, Freightman?

The thread is about whether a specifically electronically-fired rifle is allowed by F&G for a "primitive" hunting season. That has nothing more to do with RKBA than the regulations for archery deer season do.

 

[Gewehr98]

No, it has plenty to do with RKBA.

That has nothing more to do with RKBA than the regulations for archery deer season do.

It is very much an RKBA issue, just like Zumbo saying AR-15s have no place in the hunting woods. You don't like a certain firearm, make sure you do what you can to keep it out of hunting season - that's easier than an outright ban, and more palatable to the remaining Zumbos out there who feel they have some edict from on high to dictate what they want in their woods.

It stinks on ice, and smacks of "my gun is better than yours", much like Perazzi-owning trap shooters thumbing their noses at the new guy with the Remington 870. In essence, if I don't like inline ignition frontstuffers in MY hunting woods, I contact Fish & Game, petitioning them to prohibit such firearms for muzzleloading season.

Lest we forget, the ONLY reason there are separate muzzleloading and centerfire deer seasons is because there's a plentiful herd out there, and a state's respective Department of Natural Resources is using the hunter to effectively manage that herd size. Bellyache enough, and perhaps the DNR will say "screw the whiny-assed muzzleloaders and their infighting over what defines primitive - we'll just make it a blanket firearms season instead, frontstuffer or otherwise". Be careful what one wishes for with the divide-and-conquer tactics...

 

[ArmedBear]

Lots of heat, no light.

If I'd seen your posts complaining about how archery season, shotgun magazine plugs, hunting rifle magazine size limits, bans on sighting systems like lasers and night vision for hunting, big game caliber minimums, "soft-point or expanding bullet" requirements, pistol hunting caliber requirements, pistol hunting barrel length minimums, etc. infringe on RKBA, then maybe I could even take you seriously.

 

[Selfdfenz]

I cringe when I see folks getting pissy about a given muzzleloading rifle not being "primitive" enough. This, when we just got over the whole Zumbo crapstorm, and the numbers of young hunters and shooters in this country aren't getting any better. Intolerance for fellow shooters and their preferred firearms makes us all look bad, especially to anti-gunners.

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. We have a winner! Man do I wish people would look at the big picture some times.

Here we have a separate season for Bow and Arrow vs. muzzleloaders vs gun.
No mention of primitive weapons thankfully.

Having said that the Electra is the same piece of gimmicky crap that the Etonix was and a great way for the industrial base to make a buck off the simple minded.

Best

S-

 

[ArmedBear]

Primitive or not, the FL F&G code defines rifles for the special muzzleloader season in a certain way, including the allowed ignition systems, which don't include an electronic gizmo.

This isn't about "divide and conquer." It's just FL applying their state laws as written. Stupid? Maybe. Inconsistent? Maybe. But it's got nothing to do with RKBA, "divide and conquer", Zumbo, or any other such thing.

Being an emotional, paranoid stereotype who is beyond a rational discussion and who is set off by something so trivial gives the anti's a lot more to work with than F&G rules for a special season. Think about that, when you calm down.

 

[Gewehr98]

Big picture.

Some see it, others don't.

 

[mykeal]

Armed Bear said:

Being an emotional, paranoid stereotype who is beyond a rational discussion and who is set off by something so trivial gives the anti's a lot more to work with than F&G rules for a special season. Think about that, when you calm down.

Now we're name calling. That's the spirit of rational discussion, yes? Methinks thou needest a clean looking glass, sir.

 

[Gewehr98]

Yeah, I noticed that, too.

He made it pretty darned personal, didn't he? Myself, I'm trying to figure out which of my RKBA activities I'll have to curtail to make his stringent requirements.

I suppose I could quit being a rangemaster, volunteering time and money for the local Friends of the NRA dinner, give up my lifetime NRA membership, quit shooting at Camp Perry, shut down my newly-acquired Carnival of Cordite website, resign my two positions as moderator of a sister gun-related forum and another one that's doing the Appleseed promoting, etc. Then perhaps I could spend more time looking like a true RKBA supporter on just one internet forum, saturating it with posts to keep my count high.

I have friends and family working for the local DNR who are already getting nastygrams and phone calls, asking them when those evil CVA Electra guns are going to be banned from muzzleloading season.

Legislation doesn't begin in a vacuum - somebody has to drop the dime on that which displeases them. It's already beginning with the CVA Electra, just like the crapstorm that began when the inlines started hitting the market. The more things change, the more they stay the same. "You don't need an AK-47 to hunt with" isn't that much different than "You can't have that electric-ignition muzzleloader in my primitive season". Even though they're all front-stuffers, with arched trajectories (never a problem in my '74 Sharps, btw), and tons of smoke and powder fouling.

I find the CVA Electra to be a terrific way to introduce somebody to the blackpowder technique, and to add venison to the freezer outside the centerfire season. Since the deer herd here is at an unprecedented population this year, and I've already had a couple close calls on the county highways, I wouldn't denigrate somebody's desire to harvest a few more deer humanely vs. coming through the windshield.

Last I heard from my sources, they're not going to ban the CVA Electra here. Smart move.

 

[Gewehr98]

Since it's part of the topic...

Just checking, who has the best prices on the CVA Electra?